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Re: GPT-5.2

#51
Are there any specifics about how this was trained? Especially when 5.1 is only a month old. I'm a little skeptical of benchmarks these days and wish they put this up on llmarena

edit: noticed 5.2 is ranked in the webdev arena (#2 tied with gemini-3.0-pro), but not yet in text arena (last update 22hrs ago)

Re: GPT-5.2

#53
post #44

Still no GPT 5.x fine tuning? I emailed support a while back to see if there was an early access program (99.99% sure the answer is yes). This is when I discovered that their support is 100% done by AI and there is no way to escalate a case to a human.

Containment breach is going to occur from a disgruntled customer convincing the customer service bot it needs to get a hold of a supervisor

Re: GPT-5.2

#54
post #26

Are benchmarks the right way to measure LLMs? Not because benchmarks can be gamed, but because the most useful outputs of models aren't things that can be bucketed into "right" and "wrong." Tough problem!

Do you have a better way to measure LLMs? Measurement implies quantitative evaluation... which is the same as benchmarks.

Re: GPT-5.2

#57
post #10
post #5

"Investors are putting pressure, change the version number now!!!"

I'm quite sad about the S-curve hitting us hard in the transformers. For a short period, we had the excitement of "ooh if GPT-3.5 is so good, GPT-4 is going to be amazing! ooh GPT-4 has sparks of AGI!" But now we're back to version inflation for inconsequential gains.

Take this all with a grain of salt as it's hearsay:

From what I understand, nobody has done any real scaling since the GPT-4 era. 4.5 was a bit larger than 4, but not as much as the orders of magnitude difference between 3 and 4, and 5 is smaller than 4.5. Google and Anthropic haven't gone substantially bigger than GPT-4 either. Improvements since 4 are almost entirely from reasoning and RL. In 2026 or 2027, we should see a model that uses the current datacenter buildout and actually scales up.

Re: GPT-5.2

#58
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently they have not had a successful pre training run in 1.5 years

I want to read a short scify story set in 2150 about how, mysteriously, no one has been able to train a better LLM for 125 years. The binary weights are studied with unbelievably advanced quantum computers but no one can really train a new AI from scratch. This starts cults, wars and legends and ultimately (by the third book) leads to the main protagonist learning to code by hand, something that no human left alive s…

Monsieur, if I may offer a vaaaguely similar story on how things may progress https://www.owlposting.com/p/a-body-most-amenable-to-experim...

Re: GPT-5.2

#60
the halving of error rates for image inputs is pretty awesome, this makes it far more practical for issues where it isn't easy to input all the needed context. when I get lazy I'll just shift+win+s the problem and ask one of the chatbots to solve it.
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