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Just 0.001% hold 3 times the wealth of poorest half of humanity, report finds

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Re: Just 0.001% hold 3 times the wealth of poorest half of humanity, report finds

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I think a very problematic aspect of this is self-perception. People that see (growing) wealth inequality as a problem rarely perceive themselves as part of it, but e.g. anyone complaining about the "top 1%" on this forum is pretty likely to be part of the "problem" themselves, globally speaking. I think that for a lot of issues "people richer than us" are mostly a convenient scapegoat to shift the blame upstream, e.…

> you are pretty likely to be in the upper percentiles of emission culpability

Since you are talking about culpability specifically, what exactly can they do about it? Or, more to the point, what have they done so that it it is their fault?

Re: Just 0.001% hold 3 times the wealth of poorest half of humanity, report finds

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As always, it takes into account only a subset of what constitutes wealth.

The state owns national parks, army equipment, buildings... Also, the state owns an impact on regulated companies, subsidies, etc.

Just the US army receives funding about $1 trillion a year. It must own equipment, weapons, and buildings in a value of many trillions.

Every single citizen has a share in all of what the state owns and controls. The state also partially controls the wealth of billionaires.

So I suppose, that the top 0.001% holds as much value as... the bottom 5%?

Re: Just 0.001% hold 3 times the wealth of poorest half of humanity, report finds

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The real gods of humanity.

How would you call them differently? The amount of power that wealth gives them over "us" is unfathomable.

We often contemplate history with lofty detachment, thinking how far we have come as humans and societies. Kings and queens seen as ancient fictions. Sure some KPIs like life expectancy/comfort improved thanks to technologies and progress. I don't deny all that, but that's not my point. The extreme majority of humans are still vessels/subjects to an absurd minority of other humans. How can't we see that as a failure?

Re: Just 0.001% hold 3 times the wealth of poorest half of humanity, report finds

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> Data from World Inequality Report also showed top 10% of income-earners earn more than the other 90% I mean that's definition of top 10% that top 10% is better than other 90%. Journalists should prove read titles before submitting

I think it means they earn more cumulatively? Still a bit strange wording.

Re: Just 0.001% hold 3 times the wealth of poorest half of humanity, report finds

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Rich people having too much wealth is not necessarily that bad a thing because most of the investment is in productive companies.

It’s not like they are using their wealth on frivolous consumption. Which means redistribution would only change who controls the investment and not the actual consumption patterns of people. Implication is that poor people will consume the same as before after redistribution with perhaps some extra assets.

So nothing materially changes other than some security. Poor people will continue to consume the same as before. Bigger problem is it’s not so clear that redistribution is necessarily a good thing because I feel the people who made money are more likely to make better decisions on their own companies.

I don’t know how companies would fare if for example Amazon were redistributed and run like some public company.

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Re: Just 0.001% hold 3 times the wealth of poorest half of humanity, report finds

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I would not care at all if 1 ppm of the world population would hold 100 times the wealth of the poorest half of the world population, if all of the poorest half would have nonetheless the means to produce their minimum necessities in energy, food, clothes etc., independently of others, so that their survival for the next months or weeks or even days would not be completely dependent on the benevolence of the rich to create places where they must be employed in order to be able to survive.

A half of century ago, my grandparents were still relatively independent of the rest of the world, because they owned a house and some cultivated land, so even if their normal sources of revenue would have disappeared by becoming jobless, they could have still lived quite decently being sustained only by what they were producing in their garden and by their animals. They also did not depend on external services for things like water supply, garbage disposal or heating. They used electricity, but they had plenty of space so that today one could have used there enough solar panels to be also independent of external energy sources.

On the other hand, now I am living in a big city and I absolutely need a salary if I want to continue to live. Where I live there are no salaries for an engineer or programmer that are big enough so that one could ever buy a place like that owned by my grandparents.

I do not believe that this extreme dependency between employees and employers that has become more and more widespread during the last century will lead to anything good.

There are a lot of important technical problems that must be solved in order to ensure the survival of humanity, but the research to solve them is almost non-existent, because those who control the money are too short-sighted so they invest only according to various fads in research that will produce things of negligible benefit for most humans. The unsolved problems that have accumulated are such that only an effort of the kind that happened in the research done during World War II would solve them, but it seems unlikely that something like that will ever repeat.

Re: Just 0.001% hold 3 times the wealth of poorest half of humanity, report finds

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I think a very problematic aspect of this is self-perception. People that see (growing) wealth inequality as a problem rarely perceive themselves as part of it, but e.g. anyone complaining about the "top 1%" on this forum is pretty likely to be part of the "problem" themselves, globally speaking. I think that for a lot of issues "people richer than us" are mostly a convenient scapegoat to shift the blame upstream, e.…

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Re: Just 0.001% hold 3 times the wealth of poorest half of humanity, report finds

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please don't

Don't what? If most people had money, they'd waste it on clothes, cars and other frivolous purchases. Most billionaires made their wealth because they were effective at using that wealth for productive uses. Elon could have cashed out after PayPal, instead he revolutionized rocketry and electric vehicles. He deserves every cent of his wealth.
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