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Vibe coding is mad depressing

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Re: Vibe coding is mad depressing

#11
This sounds a lot more like a typical freelance client horror story than a problem with vibe coding.

I was almost expecting to hear that it made the job too easy. This kind of work is perfect for vibe coding. But you should be the one doing it.

Re: Vibe coding is mad depressing

#12

You have to drive the LLM, you cannot let it drive. Therefore you still need to code. There is no best practices anymore, no proper process, no meaningful back and forth. There absolutely is and you need to work with the tools to make sure this happens. Else chaos will ensue. Been working with these things heavily for development for 6-12 months. You absolutely must code with them.

Their issue is their clients trying to push AI garbage, not themselves. And that's a business professionalism boundary issue, not an AI one.

Re: Vibe coding is mad depressing

#15
“I made a chat app using Claude in two hours”

Ah yes a supabase backed, hallucinated data model with random shit, using deprecated methods, and a copy paste UI. Zero access control or privacy, 1% of features, no files uploading or playback or calling.

“Can you scale this to 1M users by end of the week? Something similar to WhatsApp or Telegram or Signal”

Sybau mf

Re: Vibe coding is mad depressing

#16

You have to drive the LLM, you cannot let it drive. Therefore you still need to code. There is no best practices anymore, no proper process, no meaningful back and forth. There absolutely is and you need to work with the tools to make sure this happens. Else chaos will ensue. Been working with these things heavily for development for 6-12 months. You absolutely must code with them.

Their issue is their clients trying to push AI garbage, not themselves. And that's a business professionalism boundary issue, not an AI one.

I was responding to the fact they are saying there is no best practices etc, as I quoted.

Re: Vibe coding is mad depressing

#17
post #4

We’re in the geocities phase of LLM, mostly trash, very basic, but eventually, people will either get bored and go back to whatever it is they were doing or actually use the tools for useful and productive work. As for the feelings that using LLM has when it one shots your project start (and does a pretty good job), have a German word: Automatisierungskummer (automation sorrow) • Kummer is emotional heaviness, a mild…

Some remember the Geocities era as one of the best phases of the internet.

Its hard to know what things will look like in 20 years but people may miss the time when AI cost nothing, or very little, and was less fettered. I think probably not- it would be like being nostalgic for really low-res, low frame youtube videos, but nostalgia is pretty unpredictable and some people love those old FMV games.

Re: Vibe coding is mad depressing

#18
For me vibecoding has a similar feeling to a big bag of Doritos. It's really fun at first to slap down 10k lines of code in an afternoon knowing this is just an indulgence. I think AI is actually really useful for getting a quick view of some library or feature. Also, you can learn a lot if you approach it the right way. However, every time I do any amount of vibecoding eventually it just transitions into pure lethargy mode; (apparently lethargia is not a word, by the way). Once you eat half a bag of Doritos, are you really not going to eat the second half... do you really want to eat the second half? I don't feel like I'm benefitting as a human just being a QA tester for the AI, constantly shouting that X thing didn't work and Y thing needs to be changed slightly. I think pure vibecode AI use has a difficult to understand efficiency curve, where it's obviously very efficient in the beginning, but over time hard things start to compound such that if you didn't actually form a good understanding of the project, you won't be able to make progress after a while. At that point you ate the whole bag of Doritos, you feel like shit, and you can't get off the couch.

Re: Vibe coding is mad depressing

#19
I think building apps and websites for other people is mad depressing. It went from "move this up there, and change that colour to pink" to a client ruining a beautiful site by using a nocode tool. Now they have superpowers to ruin it by adding AI generated code as well. AI can generate absolutely beautiful code if it is generated on the right architecture with the right patterns and rules. The problem isn't the AI it's the people telling AI and developers what to do.

Re: Vibe coding is mad depressing

#20

This article is not about vibe coding per se, it's about not having strong boundaries between you as the developer, and your client. You should not be allowing the client to dictate how you work, much less them having the permissions to merge in code. This was true before AI too, where clients might say, do X this way, and you should simply say no, because they are paying for your expertise*. It's like hiring a plumb…

Back when I saw doing freelance work, the worst type of client was the one who was semi-technical, meaning they were technical enough to write code that they wanted to contribute to the project or to have strong architectural opinions, but not technical enough to understand the nuances and the implications of their suggestions.

I guess that, with vibe coding, it is very easy for every client to become like this.

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