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How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Re: How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Post by pyre »

ams6110 wrote: post #54
mike-cardwell wrote: post #16

Would probably be a good idea for Google to add an "Include spam?" checkbox in the forwarding settings. Checked by default if the destination address is within gmail, otherwise unchecked by default.

Personally I think if you turn on forwarding at the account level, everything should be forwarded straight away and no filters or spam processing should be done. If you forward a filtered set of emails (if that's even possible in gmail) then you presumably know what you're asking for.

The joke is that filtering seems to happen prior to spam classification, so you can use filtering to get around this oversight (there are example cited above).

Re: How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Post by hinathan »

pyre wrote: post #98
bosch wrote: post #41

People who do this are really annoying and have no concepts of separating business and personal life. If you don't mix business with pleasure then why are you doing it with your e-mail? How hard is it to check two accounts or have two accounts setup on your phone? There are some lines where business and personal shouldn't cross and e-mail is one of them. How does the appearance look? You send e-mail to foo@business.c…

Is 'funkyjizzbeats20' a typo for 'funky jazz beats20'?

That's the joke.

Re: How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Post by staunch »

I keep two tabs open, one for work and one personal.

First I login to: https://mail.google.com/

Then I login to https://mail.google.com/a/domain.com

Works great if you do it like that, better than if you try clicking "Switch accounts" or whatever.

Re: How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Post by raldi »

pearkes wrote: post #42
raldi wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What bugs did you run into? I've been doing it for over a year and can't think of any that I've encountered.

When I was using it, not all of their services were supported, and to get into the right account I'd frequently have to log out (which logged me out of every account). Another fun one was clicking on Google Docs links. It rarely was using the right account and allowed me to go forward. Usually got the "Please request access to this document" message.

Hmm. If you feel like trying it out again, I'd love to hear whether or not you find that things have improved.

Re: How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Post by pkamb »

gabemart wrote: post #67
pkamb wrote: post #43

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The worst is their abysmal "On Behalf of:" handling when sending as an @gmail.com address from another @gmail.com address. There is no way around having your "main" email end up in plaintext in the header of every email you send as the "anonymous" email. And anyone replying to you via Outlook replies to the main address. You can send as @yahoo or @hotmail addresses with no evidence of your main gmail account, but for…

Where does this "On Behalf of:" text appear? I just tested this, and sending an "on behalf of" email to another gmail account doesn't result in this text appearing anywhere in the gmail client. The original mail address appears in the headers under "Sender:" with the alias mail address appearing under "From:". However, if you open the email in gmail and don't check the headers manually, there's no indication it's not…

In gmail, you'll be able to see the person's "secret" main email address in the `Sender:` field after clicking `Show Original`.

The real annoyance is Outlook. If someone responds to that email via Outlook/Exchange, the reply will be sent `To:` your main email address rather than to the address you sent with.

Re: How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Post by pkamb »

ef4 wrote: post #71
Encosia wrote: post #65

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Unless things have changed recently, sending as an address other than the Gmail account you're sending from results in a tacky "On Behalf Of" clause that displays both addresses to the recipient.

There is a simple fix for this. Gmail can be configured to send via any arbitrary mail server. So you can configure your person account to send via the SMTP settings of your business account. This leaves no evidence of your personal account, even in the headers.

Not if you are sending as a @gmail account from a different @gmail account. No way to remove your `Sender:` header in that case. Ridiculous, as you can easily fix it for any other @domain.

Re: How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Post by icebraining »

overbroad wrote: post #74
icebraining wrote: post #70

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You can set up a different mail server with a lower priority. I run my own server on a VPS, but have Google Apps' SMTP server as backup for those cases, and it's been working fine for months.

Assuming your ISP is not blocking port 25 and your internet address is not on some blacklist you can send mail directly from your machine. No need to use intermediary SMTP servers. Is it possible that someone people might like to use their native SMTP capability for low volume noncommercial email? Does every person who sends email have some overwhelming urge to send spam? Such that we must place pseudo control over s…

My ISP doesn't block port 25, but since my IP address is technically dynamic, it's on Spamhaus' Policy Black List. That said, my ISP offers SMTP servers for proxying outgoing messages, so I used that for a while. I switched to a VPS because my home server died.

Re: How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Post by quicksilver03 »

danielweber wrote: post #78
icebraining wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can set up a different mail server with a lower priority. I run my own server on a VPS, but have Google Apps' SMTP server as backup for those cases, and it's been working fine for months.

I have experienced, many times, people sending mail to the lower priority SMTP server despite the primary being fully online.

In my experience, the only ones doing that are spammers which assume that a secondary SMTP has no antispam filters configured.

Re: How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Post by lmm »

pyre wrote: post #99
DanBC wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer to "Gmail drops some wanted messages into the spam folder" is definitely not "set up exim" nor "set up [insert email server here]". There's a reason that people running servers at that level (from that time) are called BOFH.

> (from that time) Are you trying to imply that 'mail servers' are some sort of ancient devices whose era has come and gone?

The days when every company maintained its own mail server are gone (and on the whole we're better off).

Re: How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Post by vl »

aprescott wrote: post #38
tghw wrote: post #11

I ran into this problem as well. So, now, as standard practice, when I set up forwarding between GMail accounts, I add a single filter to the account being forwarded: Matches: -96f0f0036730a7d970a678e8f933e8b7 Do this: Never send it to Spam The string is just a random hex string, the minus (-) tells it to match all messages that do not contain this string. No message should ever contain it, so no message should ever…

I specifically tested for this when consolidating various Gmail addresses behind an Apps account, and my fix was similar: a match on * seems to include spam. It's slightly bizarre that the email forwarding you can configure in settings would not skip all spam checks, and not even indicate as much.

A lot of people forward their email through gmail account exactly because of this feature - to filter out spam, since gmail filter is one of the best.
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