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How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Re: How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Post by ef4 »

Encosia wrote: post #65
MiguelHudnandez wrote: post #44

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Gmail allows you to send from your other email addresses through the web interface. It is nice having multiple accounts in the same mailbox so they can share labels. I don't think it's a violation of trust to have mail forwarded from one account to another account on the same provider. Email does not have an implied amount of security or privacy. Sending email is like sending a postcard--Anyone involved in its transi…

Unless things have changed recently, sending as an address other than the Gmail account you're sending from results in a tacky "On Behalf Of" clause that displays both addresses to the recipient.

There is a simple fix for this. Gmail can be configured to send via any arbitrary mail server. So you can configure your person account to send via the SMTP settings of your business account.

This leaves no evidence of your personal account, even in the headers.

Re: How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Post by krakensden »

gabemart wrote: post #67
pkamb wrote: post #43

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The worst is their abysmal "On Behalf of:" handling when sending as an @gmail.com address from another @gmail.com address. There is no way around having your "main" email end up in plaintext in the header of every email you send as the "anonymous" email. And anyone replying to you via Outlook replies to the main address. You can send as @yahoo or @hotmail addresses with no evidence of your main gmail account, but for…

Where does this "On Behalf of:" text appear? I just tested this, and sending an "on behalf of" email to another gmail account doesn't result in this text appearing anywhere in the gmail client. The original mail address appears in the headers under "Sender:" with the alias mail address appearing under "From:". However, if you open the email in gmail and don't check the headers manually, there's no indication it's not…

I have a client company who uses exchange, it generates that line, instead of the more old school

On Oct 99, 2012, at 3:33 PM, KrakensDen yawped:

Re: How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Post by overbroad »

sbierwagen wrote: post #31
rabidsnail wrote: post #8

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I've been getting increasingly fed up with gmail, but not quite to the point of making me set up exim. Does anybody know of a mail server I can throw on ec2 and forget about?

Many blacklists include all the EC2 addresses: for obvious reasons, they get used to send spam a lot.

Do you think that is a smart idea? To black list entire netblocks? I mean, can we assume that every person using EC2 for email is sending spam?

It would seem to degrade the usefulness of EC2 for anyone wanting to run their own mailserver.

Re: How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Post by overbroad »

icebraining wrote: post #70
niggler wrote: post #12

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I dont think this is a good idea -- if ec2 goes down (as it has in the past) you risk losing email

You can set up a different mail server with a lower priority. I run my own server on a VPS, but have Google Apps' SMTP server as backup for those cases, and it's been working fine for months.

Assuming your ISP is not blocking port 25 and your internet address is not on some blacklist you can send mail directly from your machine. No need to use intermediary SMTP servers.

Is it possible that someone people might like to use their native SMTP capability for low volume noncommercial email? Does every person who sends email have some overwhelming urge to send spam? Such that we must place pseudo control over sending email, any email whether commercial or noncommercial, in the hands of "email providers"?

Good on you for running your own service.

Re: How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Post by overbroad »

ams6110 wrote: post #51
notatoad wrote: post #32

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SMTP doesn't just drop messages if the destination server is unavailable. It'll either get held back at an intermediary server until your server comes up again, or else it will be bounced back to the sender.

SMTP does sometimes just drop messages, it's not a protocol that guarantees delivery

An SMTP daemon will try to send the message a certain number of times, at a certain interval, then, eventually, it will stop ("bounce"). You can configure these settings if you run your own SMTP service.

Re: How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Post by ef4 »

bosch wrote: post #41

People who do this are really annoying and have no concepts of separating business and personal life. If you don't mix business with pleasure then why are you doing it with your e-mail? How hard is it to check two accounts or have two accounts setup on your phone? There are some lines where business and personal shouldn't cross and e-mail is one of them. How does the appearance look? You send e-mail to foo@business.c…

> How does the appearance look? You send e-mail to foo@business.com and then funkyjizzbeats20@gmail.com replies to you! What could be more professional than that?

If you configure your GMail account correctly, it will reply via the other account's own SMTP servers. There will be no evidence of your private GMail account, even in the headers. (This is not the same thing as just configuring GMail to set a particular "From:" address.)

> Also, what about security?

If both accounts are hosted by Google, then unless you're doing something stupid with one of the passwords they're pretty much equally secure.

If your business account has privileges within the app domain, you might actually get a security benefit by not being logged into it all the time. Kinda like not being logged in as root all the time.

Re: How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Post by ef4 »

gabemart wrote: post #66
Encosia wrote: post #65

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Unless things have changed recently, sending as an address other than the Gmail account you're sending from results in a tacky "On Behalf Of" clause that displays both addresses to the recipient.

Currently, there's no such message with gmail. However, the "real" email address of the sender does appear in the headers.

There is for recipients using certain versions of outlook.

But there's a workaround for that, see my other comments on this thread.

Re: How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Post by danielweber »

icebraining wrote: post #70
niggler wrote: post #12

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I dont think this is a good idea -- if ec2 goes down (as it has in the past) you risk losing email

You can set up a different mail server with a lower priority. I run my own server on a VPS, but have Google Apps' SMTP server as backup for those cases, and it's been working fine for months.

I have experienced, many times, people sending mail to the lower priority SMTP server despite the primary being fully online.

Re: How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Post by danielweber »

ars wrote: post #69
ams6110 wrote: post #51

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SMTP does sometimes just drop messages, it's not a protocol that guarantees delivery

That's not true. It should either send the email to the recipient or return it to sender. But it should never just drop the message (except for bounces which can be dropped since there is nowhere to send them if delivery fails).

I think you and the parent are using different meanings of "guarantee."

Yes, everything in the protocol leads to the fact that nothing should drop an email unless it has passed responsibility of it to another server which has accepted the message.

In practice, lots of times things don't work.

Re: How to use Gmail to destroy your relationship with your investors and customers

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Post by pearkes »

jrockway wrote: post #53
pearkes wrote: post #42

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When I was using it, not all of their services were supported, and to get into the right account I'd frequently have to log out (which logged me out of every account). Another fun one was clicking on Google Docs links. It rarely was using the right account and allowed me to go forward. Usually got the "Please request access to this document" message.

You're talking about Google's multi-login, which allows you to log into Google with multiple accounts. This thread, however, is about Chrome's profiles , which lets you open multiple browser windows each with a different profile (i.e. cookies, Google account, extensions, etc.).

I was responding to:

>You can actually sign in to multiple google accounts and switch between them (at least for email / docs - not analytics / other services). I can't remember exactly how to do it, I think you need to enable multiple sign in on the account first.

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