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NYC congestion pricing cuts air pollution by a fifth in six months

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Re: NYC congestion pricing cuts air pollution by a fifth in six months

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The fact that tolls are now directly useful to the entire public must not be underappreciated. This is good news for everyone.

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In American English, tariff always means a fee that applies to international imports and exports. It doesn't apply here.

Re: NYC congestion pricing cuts air pollution by a fifth in six months

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The fact that tolls are now directly useful to the entire public must not be underappreciated. This is good news for everyone.

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> why isn't congestion pricing a tariff?

Because tariffs are imposed on trade between countries. That was easy!

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It’s a tariff on DRIVING in Manhattan, the place in America you least need to drive.

You have never tried to leave the city for the suburbs after 9 pm. Driving is still immensely useful, as I sit in my Uber on the way home.

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Buses got significantly more reliable as a result of reduced traffic, more ridership on subways allowed for more police presence at stations, reducing crime. Public transit got better.

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Re: NYC congestion pricing cuts air pollution by a fifth in six months

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The fact that tolls are now directly useful to the entire public must not be underappreciated. This is good news for everyone.

They better be. No one’s rooting for the smog, but a congestion tax is pretty regressive (hurts poorer people more)

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The run up to their implementation was so deeply frustrating. The sheer number of disingenuous objections. And they’ve all been proven false.

> sheer number of disingenuous objections This is unfair. Nobody wants to pay more for anything. And many of the objections resulted in policy adjustments that made the programme better.

Which objections lead to better policy?

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What did it do to GDP? (Sincerely asking)

I wonder myself this too. Would people have to say "If NYC was a country would its GDP be 11th largest in the world compared to being the 12th largest GDP in the world like in 2024?"

What we can quantify is the economic impact the San Antonio River Walk has or the impact the Atlanta Beltline has which is billions of dollars in added economic activity. Based on those examples, likely it will increase the NYC GDP by millions if not hundreds of millions. We can prove with dollar amounts getting rid of cars in these cases increase the GDP by billions but in NYC they are only decreasing them so probably won't have the positive impact completely getting rid of cars does.

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The fact that tolls are now directly useful to the entire public must not be underappreciated. This is good news for everyone.

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"There is no such thing as a free lunch" is a very strong argument for tolls, I hope you realize.

> everyone paying the tolls who now needs to engage in additional pollution-causing economic activity merely to offset the costs of government-mandated congestion pricing

I don't think that's how economics work. People are already doing their best to generate money. Also even if that did happen, the thing you're describing as "pollution-causing" is GDP growth, which is overall desirable.

> tariffs

Whether a tariff is good depends on what the goal is (and whether it works toward that goal).

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The fact that tolls are now directly useful to the entire public must not be underappreciated. This is good news for everyone.

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Pigouvian taxes are genuinely one of the few policies that really are nearly a free lunch in economics.

Re: NYC congestion pricing cuts air pollution by a fifth in six months

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The fact that tolls are now directly useful to the entire public must not be underappreciated. This is good news for everyone.

They better be. No one’s rooting for the smog, but a congestion tax is pretty regressive (hurts poorer people more)

Not in NYC where less than half the population has access to a car.
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