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Re: Hunting for North Korean Fiber Optic Cables

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> Romans were true imperialists. They considered their opponents to be barbarians The Romans also aggressively appropriated from and integrated the people they conquered, extending the concept of citizenship and thus what it meant to be Roman in the process. Nobody is saying the Romans came across terra nullis . But describing their engineering and culture as "merely improving roads" is silly.

They stole literature and architecture from the Greeks, chariot building techniques from the Gauls, their identity from the Etruscans and Latins, and probably more than they would ever admit to from the Carthaginians. When I was growing up we were taught the Romans' own imperial myth that they had built upon nothing. The Monty Python film even promotes that as a joke. There are cities in the Holy Land like Jericho wh…

> They stole

They learned and appropriated. People and cultures that think anything foreign is evil don’t tend to advance.

The Romans weren’t some progressive legend. But they integrated and distributed knowledge and technology expertly, and were genuine innovators in their chief technology, that of scaled administration.

> When I was growing up we were taught the Romans' own imperial myth that they had built upon nothing

Why do you think this says anything about the Romans versus the context in which you were educated? Is there a single historical source from Republican, Imperial or Eastern Rome you can point to that claims Rome was built on nothing (other than the founding of Rome)?

They identified as conquerors. You don’t get a triumph for shooing some goats off a hill.

Re: Hunting for North Korean Fiber Optic Cables

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Does any serious historian believe that fully defeating the Soviet Union after WWII would have been possible? Even with the advantage of nuclear weapons, I doubt the US would have made it very far.

It was way too late, look up Operation Unthinkable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

Re: Hunting for North Korean Fiber Optic Cables

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They stole literature and architecture from the Greeks, chariot building techniques from the Gauls, their identity from the Etruscans and Latins, and probably more than they would ever admit to from the Carthaginians. When I was growing up we were taught the Romans' own imperial myth that they had built upon nothing. The Monty Python film even promotes that as a joke. There are cities in the Holy Land like Jericho wh…

> They stole They learned and appropriated. People and cultures that think anything foreign is evil don’t tend to advance. The Romans weren’t some progressive legend. But they integrated and distributed knowledge and technology expertly, and were genuine innovators in their chief technology, that of scaled administration. > When I was growing up we were taught the Romans' own imperial myth that they had built upon no…

All empires collapse eventually.

Re: Hunting for North Korean Fiber Optic Cables

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What makes 1950s Korea evil? You are equating North Korea today with Korea of 75 years ago, they aren't even remotely similar. You don't think your nation getting bombed to literal fields of rubble wouldn't change views and political stances afterwards? Unification was supported by both sides among the people, most South Koreans supported communism and 70% of them supported unification with the North. South Koreans d…

> What makes 1950s Korea evil? Soviet occupation. Korea was supposed to be unified and elect a government back in 1950, Soviets made sure it didn't happen because they had no chance of winning. That and, you know, the whole invasion thing.

So it was evil because the soviets supported the North? Because communism?

Pretty sure the soviets were perfectly fine with the North taking the South considering the South was US aligned which gave the US a foothold right on their doorstep. And again, the vast majority of Korean people on both sides supported Korean unification. The South Korean leadership, which was basically appointed by the US for their pro-US and anti-communism stance, was so unpopular among South Koreans that there was civilian insurrectionists trying to topple it. The South Korean military upon invasion couldn't even keep its own troops from deserting in significant numbers, and they even blew up a bridge full of refuges to try and stop the advance which it failed to do.

Yes the North invaded which is generally bad, but they did do it with popular sentiment among the people, and they weren't attacking and killing civilians along the way.

And regardless of all that, none of that justifies the US response of bombing and killing millions of civilians and leveling entire cities. The Korean War is considered the most deadly war in Asia ever, and had far higher percentage of civilian casualties than WWII and Vietnam.

Re: Hunting for North Korean Fiber Optic Cables

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If you hang your fibre optic cable from poles, you will inevitably evolve flying backhoes.

Too late, already happened, it's called squirrels. cf. CCC NOC logo: https://events.ccc.de/camp/2019/wiki/Static:Network — it's an in-joke about rodents chewing through the (air/tree-strung) uplink fibre multiple times at the 2015 event.

That campground info hooks back into the old joke I was referencing.

What's the most important piece of camping gear you can take with you?

A meter or so of fiber optical cable. So that if you get lost of injured you can bury it and wait for the backhoe to show up and dig through it, then get a ride back to civilisation with the operator.

Re: Hunting for North Korean Fiber Optic Cables

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> What makes 1950s Korea evil? Soviet occupation. Korea was supposed to be unified and elect a government back in 1950, Soviets made sure it didn't happen because they had no chance of winning. That and, you know, the whole invasion thing.

So it was evil because the soviets supported the North? Because communism? Pretty sure the soviets were perfectly fine with the North taking the South considering the South was US aligned which gave the US a foothold right on their doorstep. And again, the vast majority of Korean people on both sides supported Korean unification. The South Korean leadership, which was basically appointed by the US for their pro-US an…

Funny you should ask, but yes, communism is evil. Whenever somebody promises a classless society you can be sure they're about to enslave, kill and torture people in great numbers.

I guess if I have to explain it I might as well not bother.

Re: Hunting for North Korean Fiber Optic Cables

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So it was evil because the soviets supported the North? Because communism? Pretty sure the soviets were perfectly fine with the North taking the South considering the South was US aligned which gave the US a foothold right on their doorstep. And again, the vast majority of Korean people on both sides supported Korean unification. The South Korean leadership, which was basically appointed by the US for their pro-US an…

Funny you should ask, but yes, communism is evil. Whenever somebody promises a classless society you can be sure they're about to enslave, kill and torture people in great numbers. I guess if I have to explain it I might as well not bother.

A key feature of liberal democracy over the pre-existing aristocratic oligarchies was providing a classless society (which, superficially, as classes were defined under aristocratic systems, it does.)

The entire analysis of capitalism which articulated the class system with which it replaced that of the pre-existing aristocracy and revealed the elimination of class to actually just be a switch in its structure and elevation of a new ruling class was by Communists.

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Funny you should ask, but yes, communism is evil. Whenever somebody promises a classless society you can be sure they're about to enslave, kill and torture people in great numbers. I guess if I have to explain it I might as well not bother.

A key feature of liberal democracy over the pre-existing aristocratic oligarchies was providing a classless society (which, superficially, as classes were defined under aristocratic systems, it does.) The entire analysis of capitalism which articulated the class system with which it replaced that of the pre-existing aristocracy and revealed the elimination of class to actually just be a switch in its structure and el…

Liberalism means no state-enforced classes but doesn't promise forcing everyone into the same class. Commies promise the latter, but in fact enforce a class structure of their own.

Re: Hunting for North Korean Fiber Optic Cables

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Wait - you think the solution to some people having a lower standard of living and others being persecuted is to kill them all?

Nukes usually don't wipe out entire countries, especially tactical nukes. I'm far from convinced that using nukes in the Korean War would've been a good move, but equating it with "kill[ing] them all" is completely dishonest. What's your goal in this debate, and is it served by dishonest rhetoric?

My comment is in the context of:

> That USA didn't nuke China in 1950 or 1951. Would have solved a lot of problems for generations of people.

> USA dropping nukes probably would have been the better outcome for humanity.

Both of which I read as an expansive campaign of "nuking China"

Re: Hunting for North Korean Fiber Optic Cables

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Why would they need such incentives? All they gotta do is give them a decent wage and they will be happy, which in North Korea is a paltry sum. Its not like regular North Koreans are traveling around the world, they couldn't afford it even without any other restrictions, so they have zero risk of arrest or punishment from other nations. If I told you today that I will pay you a million dollars to go fuck around with…

Completely normal lives may be stretching your speech a bit too far. They provably had hundreds of thousands of deaths in famines when surrounding countries thrived, they have absolutely horrendous concentration camps where people are frequently beaten to death for small infractions and whole families are sent there, including small children (who also get beaten to death by their 'teachers'). If you consider numerous…

Any sources for these numerous reports of teachers beating small children to death beyond "trust me bro?"
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