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Re: Hunting for North Korean Fiber Optic Cables

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Post by kakacik »

AngryData wrote: post #94
jojobas wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

s/DRPK survived as a people/Kim dynasty survived in power/g. Sure it was a correct thing for Kims to do, millions of Koreans be damned.

If anybody gave a fuck about the Korean people they wouldn't have split Korea up to start with, they wouldn't have stopped the reunification of Korea, and they wouldn't have bombed millions of civilians to death.

Any proof of your emotional statements? Order of scale of those civilian deaths contradicts literally every public statistics out there.

You seem to have... very strong while also contrarian opinions in this thread to be polite, leaning heavily into apologist position for North Korean government

Re: Hunting for North Korean Fiber Optic Cables

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Post by noobr »

petcat wrote: post #54
timschmidt wrote: post #52

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There is no way we could match them in numbers on the ground. Such a conflict would have inevitably led to us nuking them as a result. Which is probably the reason decision makers chose not to.

And maybe that's really the humanitarian failure. That USA didn't nuke China in 1950 or 1951. Would have solved a lot of problems for generations of people.

wtf

Re: Hunting for North Korean Fiber Optic Cables

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Post by supernetworks »

seized wrote: post #55
liversage wrote: post #11

My understanding is that there are three mobile networks in North Korea: the normal one used by the citizens (they have smartphones made specifically for North Korea), one used by the government/military and one for tourists (requires a local SIM card only available in a specific hotel in Pyongyang). The last one is connected to the internet and this is why you can see (or at least before the pandemic could see) Inst…

Probably helps that the stance is likely "Hack this target or your family dies". That's always pretty uhhhh motivational.

tragically, this is exactly what it is

Re: Hunting for North Korean Fiber Optic Cables

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Post by oarsinsync »

lesuorac wrote: post #80
Lukas_Skywalker wrote: post #28

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Even less is correct: outdoor fibers (G.652.D) have a minimum bend radius of about 30mm. The indoor counterpart (G.657.A1 and A2) have 10mm and 7.5mm.

Those are more of a technically no? Like I have fiber to the house and you really need to pinch it and whatnot to cause an internet outage.

A small bend radius means it can have a tight bend.

A large bend radius means it has to be a big bend.

A 7.5mm bend radius is really small. You can bend that stuff pretty tight before you create a problem.

Re: Hunting for North Korean Fiber Optic Cables

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Post by whatsupdog »

mikkupikku wrote: post #12

Do those small utility boxes alongside the tracks make sense for fiber optic? I expected things like that to be larger, if only because fiber has a minimum bend radius. Edit: Good article though, I enjoyed it a lot.

Railroad minimum bend radius is orders of magnitude bigger than fiber's.

Re: Hunting for North Korean Fiber Optic Cables

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Post by Dibby053 »

lysace wrote: post #103
joshfraser wrote: post #89

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What other options do they have? They've been sanctioned to the point where they have few options left but to turn to crime.

Their brutal dictatorship is a choice.

Isn't the whole point of a dictatorship that you don't get to choose?

Re: Hunting for North Korean Fiber Optic Cables

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Post by keybored »

petcat wrote: post #39

Can we back up and just recognize how insane North Korea is? I think that future generations will look back on our history and wonder why nobody ever did anything about the incredible atrocities that took place in that country for decades .

People scoff at North Korean propaganda.[1] Then they turn around and say this with a straight face.

America bombed North Korea back to the stone age. Now we in the West wonder why it’s so F’d up by its very own volition.

[1]: This is not to say that North Korean propaganda is not real.

Re: Hunting for North Korean Fiber Optic Cables

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Post by lkbm »

nl wrote: post #96
petcat wrote: post #57

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Well we know what happened to North Korea after China "won". And it's pretty fucking god-awful for 10s of millions of people for 80+ years. USA dropping nukes probably would have been the better outcome for humanity.

Wait - you think the solution to some people having a lower standard of living and others being persecuted is to kill them all?

Nukes usually don't wipe out entire countries, especially tactical nukes.

I'm far from convinced that using nukes in the Korean War would've been a good move, but equating it with "kill[ing] them all" is completely dishonest. What's your goal in this debate, and is it served by dishonest rhetoric?

Re: Hunting for North Korean Fiber Optic Cables

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Post by AngryData »

kakacik wrote: post #111
AngryData wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anybody gave a fuck about the Korean people they wouldn't have split Korea up to start with, they wouldn't have stopped the reunification of Korea, and they wouldn't have bombed millions of civilians to death.

Any proof of your emotional statements? Order of scale of those civilian deaths contradicts literally every public statistics out there. You seem to have... very strong while also contrarian opinions in this thread to be polite, leaning heavily into apologist position for North Korean government

The North Korean government is trash, but that doesn't mean I gotta ignore the plights and opinions of Koreans 75 years ago or pretend that bombing them to rubble was somehow a good thing because today they are lead by a despot. Millions of people didn't deserve to die just because the US had a dumb ideological crusade against communism when the vast majority of people in Korea supported it.

Re: Hunting for North Korean Fiber Optic Cables

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Post by lawlessone »

AngryData wrote: post #92
lawlessone wrote: post #26

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>The Roman Empire merely improved roads in many places. why did they invest in those roads? They weren't a charity.

Rome was entirely reliant upon the looting and expansion of the empire to support them. Without building up those roads Rome would have starved and fallen apart.

That's my point :-) , people in the thread are acting like their hegemony enablement technology is a selfless gift.
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