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UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'

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Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'

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Post by nailer »

pbiggar wrote: post #219
nailer wrote: post #194

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These are very different situations. In the US it is typically that someone on a visa has supported a terrorist group or advocated for violence. In the UK it is rather that a British citizen is visited by the police because someone else has stated they find a piece of content offensive.

In almost no cases has someone supported a terrorist group or advocated for violence. They're literally just taking lists provided by Israeli extremists and deporting them.

> In almost no cases has someone supported a terrorist group or advocated for violence.

"We support liberations by any means necessary including armed violence"... "Violence is the only path forward" - Mahmoud Khalil

Do you live in the united states? People commonly state "all resistance is justified", demand a third intifada, demand Jewish people be driven out of their own homeland, or feature flags/flyers for Hamas/Hezbollah/PIJ at pro Palestinian marches.

Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'

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Post by LorenPechtel »

piltdownman wrote: post #215
LorenPechtel wrote: post #185

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You mean the Ireland that wanted to redefine "genocide" so they could call the war genocide? Thus the government that knew it was not genocide. Sorry, but war in urban areas is extremely ugly. That does not make it genocide. As for apartheid South Africa--look at the reality. Their revolution was jumping from the frying pan to the fire. Just because the new oppressors were of the same skin color doesn't make them not…

Nice try. In December 2024 Amnesty International denounced it as a Genocide, leading to Israel’s foreign ministry defaming the London-based group as a “deplorable and fanatical organisation”. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/05/amnesty-intern... Two prominent Israeli Humanitarian Organisations - B'Tselem and Physicians for Human Rights-Israel - identified it as Genocide in July 2025. Dr Guy Shalev, executiv…

That leading association of genocide scholars????

No, a small subset. Of an organization whose sole membership requirement is paying the membership fee.

And the rest of your stuff isn't much better.

Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'

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Post by ben_w »

pbiggar wrote: post #170
ben_w wrote: post #168

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Palestine Action were proscribed for a level of violence ("property damage" against the RAF, vandalised aircraft, which makes it sound worse than it is because it was spray paint in the engines) that had previously been considered acceptable. But "peaceful"? A protest on 6 August 2024 resulted in a charge of grievous bodily harm after an activist allegedly struck a police officer with a sledgehammer, and a protest on…

If the UK shut down everything that was related to occasional violence, there wouldn't be a pub left in England.

Striking a police officer with a sledgehammer?

Don't get me wrong, I have been surprised by witnessing a thrown punch even in a very nerdy upper-middle-to-just-posh Cambridge pub (seen exactly once over the course of about 9 years), but even that wasn't at the level alleged (IDK if found guilty) in the referenced case.

Re: UK Government plans new powers to label dissenting movements as 'subversion'

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Post by pbiggar »

ben_w wrote: post #223
pbiggar wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the UK shut down everything that was related to occasional violence, there wouldn't be a pub left in England.

Striking a police officer with a sledgehammer? Don't get me wrong, I have been surprised by witnessing a thrown punch even in a very nerdy upper-middle-to-just-posh Cambridge pub (seen exactly once over the course of about 9 years), but even that wasn't at the level alleged (IDK if found guilty) in the referenced case.

There are people murdered in pubs. People are raped at festivals. those are awful, similar with striking someone with a sledgehammer. Should we shut down all pubs, or all festivals? No. All protests? Also no. Even all protests about one particular group? No.
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