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Re: Steve Jobs passed away one year ago - HN Frontpage

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Post by davidw »

tatsuke95 wrote: post #90
davidw wrote: post #40

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Maybe, maybe not. They got rid of my 'flag' button when I wrote that I flag global warming stories as being off topic, a position I still maintain: very few people here know much about the actual science, so it mostly ends up being a debate ranging between people convinced that it's all a communist plot to interfere with the Free Market to those who'd like to shut down all industrial activity, and everything between;…

> "very few people here know much about the actual science" It's the same scenario with finance and economics, in every corner of the internet, including here. It can be incredibly frustrating.

Great reason to mostly avoid those subjects as well.

Re: Steve Jobs passed away one year ago - HN Frontpage

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Post by Timothee »

markmm wrote: post #56
andrewljohnson wrote: post #18

My mom sometimes talks about how she felt when John Lennon died, and I always sort of scoffed at the notion of being overwhelmed by the death of a celebrity stranger. I understood what she meant when Steve Jobs died - I was really overwhelmed, I think because I derived such a big part of my life, livelihood, and identity from iOS over the last 3-4 years.

Jobs was a good business man and decent presenter, to compare him to John Lennon is utterly inappropriate.

John Lennon was a good songwriter and a decent singer, to compare him to Steve Jobs is utterly inappropriate.

;-) (everything is subjective and people affect other people in different ways)

Re: Steve Jobs passed away one year ago - HN Frontpage

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Post by nsmartt »

lachyg wrote: post #84
angersock wrote: post #78

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That's so unfortunate. I'm kind of bummed that (at least in your sample) the HN community seems to spam more about a businessman than an engineer. I'm curious what will happen when Woz passes.

Cmon, man. Why should a businessman be respected any less than an engineer?

In this case, the reason would be that the work of Ritchie is the foundation for pretty much every mobile operating system, OS X, and Linux.

Re: Steve Jobs passed away one year ago - HN Frontpage

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Post by tripzilch »

angersock wrote: post #77
tripzilch wrote: post #51

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I had the exact same thought when I read that, won't lie about it. But that doesn't mean you need to say it out loud. Substitute anything for "iOS/Apple" in that line, even something really dumb (say, um, "4Chan"), and it's still a dick thing to say. I said I had the same thought, but in this particular case, that's my problem for opening a thread about Steve Jobs died a year ago, what'd you expect if not people shar…

Some things need to be said, though the wording the poster chose was very poor. Something more beneficial to conversation like "I don't think that iOS would ever qualify as a cornerstone of my life. Why does it for you?" would've been a better move. As for your other point, though--picking 4chan as a an example of a dumb life influence is not something I'd agree with. 4chan is a fairly unmoderated environment, wherea…

> Something more beneficial to conversation like "I don't think that iOS would ever qualify as a cornerstone of my life. Why does it for you?" would've been a better move.

Nice. I tried a few formulations in my head, but none of them sounded very respectful, so I posted nothing. You give a good example of what someone just told me recently, that a phrasing criticism as a question helps avoid conflict.

And you're right about the 4chan thing, I should've said "something that many consider really dumb" because indeed I don't believe it's always a "dumb" influence (though it can often be so). I would raise an eyebrow at someone naming it as their most important formative influence, though. Unless their name is moot, maybe :)

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Post by lowboy »

achompas wrote: post #86
lowboy wrote: post #80

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> I derived such a big part of my ... identity from iOS I don't think that iOS would ever qualify as a cornerstone of my life. Why does it for you? Just curious.

It might be the part you cut out. GP mentions "life and livelihood," so its possible he's had success as an iOS developer.

Could be, but considering s/he has them in a list, I took it to mean that it was three independent clauses that s/he derived from iOS. If the identity was derived from the first two, I would expect it to be phrased differently.

Re: Steve Jobs passed away one year ago - HN Frontpage

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Post by mkramlich »

rbanffy wrote: post #48
andrewljohnson wrote: post #18

My mom sometimes talks about how she felt when John Lennon died, and I always sort of scoffed at the notion of being overwhelmed by the death of a celebrity stranger. I understood what she meant when Steve Jobs died - I was really overwhelmed, I think because I derived such a big part of my life, livelihood, and identity from iOS over the last 3-4 years.

> overwhelmed by the death of a celebrity stranger Jobs, like Lennon, was not just a celebrity. Both stood for what they believed and, by doing so, inspired countless others to do better. I know working with him was impossibly painful, but I wouldn't have thought twice at the possibility. For some, that may sound masochistic, but, when my muscles hurt after a workout, I remind myself the next time I'll be running lon…

> I don't think I would have been the same engineer I am now had I not used an Apple II+ as my first computer and had I not opened the case and been struck by its absolute elegance - if you are reading this, thanks, Woz, for being our profession's Mozart.

exactly the same here. same first computer

Re: Steve Jobs passed away one year ago - HN Frontpage

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Post by mkramlich »

angersock wrote: post #78
singular wrote: post #15

It's funny to see this as I (and I suspect probably many others) felt compelled to take a screenshot when this happened, because it was so bizarre to see the front page consist of a single story - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/140966/hn_jobs.png I also did the same when Dennis Ritchie died, though not every story was about that - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/140966/hn_ritchie.png RIP to both of them.

That's so unfortunate. I'm kind of bummed that (at least in your sample) the HN community seems to spam more about a businessman than an engineer. I'm curious what will happen when Woz passes.

Jobs wasn't just "a businessman". It's unfortunate you haven't recognized what was so special about him.

Re: Steve Jobs passed away one year ago - HN Frontpage

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Post by ginko »

mkramlich wrote: post #98
angersock wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's so unfortunate. I'm kind of bummed that (at least in your sample) the HN community seems to spam more about a businessman than an engineer. I'm curious what will happen when Woz passes.

Jobs wasn't just "a businessman". It's unfortunate you haven't recognized what was so special about him.

Too bad I have not fully accepted Steve Jobs as my lord and savior yet.

Please tell me the good news about him so I may change my mind.

Re: Steve Jobs passed away one year ago - HN Frontpage

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Post by karterk »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #42
andrewljohnson wrote: post #18

My mom sometimes talks about how she felt when John Lennon died, and I always sort of scoffed at the notion of being overwhelmed by the death of a celebrity stranger. I understood what she meant when Steve Jobs died - I was really overwhelmed, I think because I derived such a big part of my life, livelihood, and identity from iOS over the last 3-4 years.

I know exactly what you mean. iOS and the App Store gave me a chance to write and sell software that I wouldn't have had otherwise. I launched my first app in my final year of high school and because of the opportunities the platform provided I was able to: - quit my part-time job - decide to turn down a University offer (which I didn't really want to take but without any other real option I would have anyway) - run…

If it weren't for iOS and the App Store I would have went to University

I wouldn't write off things like that. Maybe you could have discovered something totally tangential but equally worthwhile somewhere else.

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