Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

office365itpros.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

261–270 of 593 posts

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

#261

Post by tzs »

hoistbypetard wrote: post #53
sneak wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no foss competitor to Excel.

For legacy spreadsheets, you're 100% correct. I'll need to keep a version of Excel around forever. If they price me out of 365 by making me pay for Copilot shit I don't use or want, a perpetual license to Office 2019 runs about $20 and will do that job for me. For new work that I might have otherwise done in Excel, there are good options. Collabora works. Libre Office works. Google sheets works. And Grist is quite go…

> If they price me out of 365 by making me pay for Copilot shit I don't use or want [...]

In case you aren't aware, when they try to sneak Copilot onto your plan you can get rid of it by going to your plan management page and canceling. One of the offers they should offer to try to get you to stay is your old plan without Copilot.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

#262

Post by dabockster »

wvenable wrote: post #252
dabockster wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nobody has developed a real alternative. It seems like most companies are more than willing to leave this entire market to Microsoft. I'd say it's more that this is the actual "developer shortage" that was being talked about a decade ago, but everyone mistakenly and stupidly interpreted it to be a shortage of tech workers for the larger firms. The number of humans that are literate enough in business, marketing, co…

I wrote a blog post about this. There is literally no end to the amount of software that could be produced for businesses. My job right is to write software for particular niche; we purchase all the major software and yet I will still never run out of software to build internally. Literally everything sucks right now because all industries are running a massive software deficit. It's just not possible (and maybe not…

I think it is economically viable but we as devs have to realize our true worth here beyond just a paycheck.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

#263

Post by kleinishere »

wvenable wrote: post #252
dabockster wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nobody has developed a real alternative. It seems like most companies are more than willing to leave this entire market to Microsoft. I'd say it's more that this is the actual "developer shortage" that was being talked about a decade ago, but everyone mistakenly and stupidly interpreted it to be a shortage of tech workers for the larger firms. The number of humans that are literate enough in business, marketing, co…

I wrote a blog post about this. There is literally no end to the amount of software that could be produced for businesses. My job right is to write software for particular niche; we purchase all the major software and yet I will still never run out of software to build internally. Literally everything sucks right now because all industries are running a massive software deficit. It's just not possible (and maybe not…

Link to blog post? Didn’t see it on quick look at your site.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

#264

Post by zerofor_conduct »

mrbluecoat wrote: post #100

Switched to the free OnlyOffice a year ago and never looked back: https://www.onlyoffice.com/desktop https://github.com/ONLYOFFICE

here is a (somewhat biased) comparison between OnlyOffice and Collabora Online

https://www.collaboraonline.com/comparing-collabora-with-onl...

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

#265

Post by quietbritishjim »

trinix912 wrote: post #187
quietbritishjim wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used Publisher (2.0! and then 95) quite a bit in the mid to late 1990s. I haven't used it since then because Word now has all the features that were previously exclusive to Publisher, so its purpose has evaporated. It's certainly true that Word has bugs and frustrations but I'd be surprised if Publisher didn't too. It's very odd that they propose PowerPoint as the Publisher replacement. How do you create a fold out…

PowerPoint is probably the replacement because it doesn't restrict where things can be placed (at least not by default). Word would be much more suitable, if only they made and advertised some sort of DTP mode that would do away with the image position defaults and let users put things over margins.

Do you mean changed the default text box / picture / drawing canvas mode from "in line" to "in front of text" (which lets you put it anywhere, including over margins)? You actually can do that in advanced options. "DTP mode" sounds like marketing overkill for a simple option but maybe it would help.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

#266

Post by iask »

TheJoeMan wrote: post #64

They also are actively decreasing the value by sunsetting Publisher in October 2026 [0]. Hilariously, the suggested replacement is PowerPoint, despite it being unable to natively open .pub files. The solution for that? Run a powershell script to convert all your publisher files to (uneditable) PDF. There are many memes about inserting photos into Word, and the content flying around and breaking. My pet theory is that…

This one caught me by surprise. Publisher is a really great tool to create internal documents…reminds me of the Adobe Fireworks fiasco. They force you to use a tool of which you only need 5% and pay an increase cost (time and subscription) 500%.

I mean, Powerpoint, really? That app should’ve been gone a long time.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

#267

Post by bsder »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #191

Most people using excel and word would be just as functional using office '98. SaaS is largely just a cancer on society. Monthly subscription to pay for features you never use and bug fixes you never should have needed.

O365 lock-in is all about Outlook.

Word, Excel and PowerPoint are just hangers on to help spread the Outlook virus.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

#268

Post by jimnotgym »

jfindper wrote: post #87
jjgreen wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Business basic goes from $6 to $7 So a 16% hike when current US inflation is 3-4%?

Percentages are fun because they can make something with a small absolute change look like a giant change. No business is really going to care about $1.00/user, especially when it costs hundreds of dollars per user (or thousands) to migrate entirely away from the Microsoft ecosystem.

And where could you migrate to?

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

#269

Post by jimnotgym »

carlosjobim wrote: post #226
Aurornis wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Business basic goes from $6 to $7. Business premium is unchanged from $22 to $22. Price increases are normal. (I’ve been on HN long enough to remember when “raise your prices” was treated as the best startup advice around in HN comments) These price increases aren’t excessive relative to inflation for other services in a business context. I don’t see this as a dangerous game. > The new "features" they're justifying t…

> The Venn diagram of their customer base and Hacker News commenters doesn’t have much overlap. You're completely right about this. But how does the Venn diagram look for features between different Office versions and for customer needs? Another commenter here said that Office 98 is good enough for most users, and I have to agree. What reason is there today for somebody to upgrade from a 10 or 15 year old version of…

> What reason is there today for somebody to upgrade from a 10 or 15 year old version of Office?

Collaborative editing

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

#270

Post by wormius »

WorldMaker wrote: post #174
mosura wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reality is DTP outside of pro sectors (i.e. these days InDesign) was rendered worthless by how ubiquitous the tooling was. In any sector where the barriers to entry are destroyed you either have to go really big or go home.

A lot of this seems to be related to death of the amateur and semi-pro DTP industries: 1. Printers stopped catering to semi-pros and became more binary between "home" and "enterprise" solutions, with very little crossover and with "home" products trying to be as "good enough" dumb as possible (and also in many cases nearly as hostile to semi-pro usage as possible because so many "home" printers became loss leaders fo…

Aww yeah Print Shop! Dot Matrix cards ftw!
Post reply on HN