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I think the problem might be generational… the only people who know - or care - about the HIG are older millennials
HIGs change. what made sense for people who first used computers in their 30s might not make sense for people which used them since 7
What will you gain from removing the icons?
However, i think what may be described here is that apps often deviate from a “universal” standard or reuse something to mean another. This defeats most of the benefits of using icons imo.
Come on, could we get back to hating Cloudflare or something?
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+1. I love icons, just be consistent. That MacOS example is egregious
In my language “egregious” means “very good”. In English means both very good and very bad. What’s your meaning here? Just to be consistent :)
> What I find really interesting about this change on Apple’s part is how it seemingly goes against their own previous human interface guidelines (as pointed out to me by Peter Gassner).
> They have an entire section in their 2005 guidelines titled “Using Symbols in Menus”
2005?? Guidelines evolve.
100% disagree. They make finding a group of commands very quickly and it's not like horizontal space in menu is at the premium
The point is, if every item in a long menu has an icon, then they typically can’t all be very distinguishable and recognizable, and blur together visually. It creates more visual noise, and less structure, than if only some items had an icon.
As for finding groups quickly, for example it doesn’t make sense give all of “Save”, “Save as…”, “Save all” an icon, but giving the first one an icon helps to recognize the “Save” group of operations.
Somewhat tangential: > What I find really interesting about this change on Apple’s part is how it seemingly goes against their own previous human interface guidelines (as pointed out to me by Peter Gassner). > They have an entire section in their 2005 guidelines titled “Using Symbols in Menus” 2005?? Guidelines evolve.
When only some things have icons, it's almost like a flag that these things are more special/useful/used. I think that is by far more useful than everything having an icon that you have to think about (or see the text next to it) to understand
Some things are only occasionally what you are looking for, and making them require a full scan of every menu entry is fine.