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Re: The fuck off contact page

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Protection against bots seeing the e-mail on your website has been around for at least a decade. And if any of your customers or business partners know of the company e-mail, then you're already known to all spammers in the world, since their contact lists are getting hacked all the time. Ie: If you're a business your e-mail adress is already out there, so give it also to those who need it the most, which are your cu…

You obviously dont run an ecommerce website

Such a lame comment. Just an insult and nothing more. Haven't you anything else to say, better than hit-and-run insults?

Re: The fuck off contact page

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Story time - A few years back I had to update a company linkedIn page, couldn't find who was admin and the normal process was broken somehow - can't remember the exact details. Found an obscure reference to a support page where you could contact them about exactly the issue I had, but the form was broken... I could see a coding error in the dev console, so I hot-patched the code and submitted a ticket! Lo and behold,…

Ha! I had to do something similar, I think for Texas Instruments? I signed up for an account and for some reason could not login. Apparently on the client side they were limiting how many characters could be in the password. I also had to force a submit of the login form with my longer password to login and then change my password to something shorter.

Re: The fuck off contact page

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Scolding your clients like theyre kids will definitely sour the relationship

I don’t think the person you’re replying to is suggesting literally that exact message , but something like it . Adapt to your client and the type of relationship you have with them. You can transmit that same message with a different tone.

It will still come across as scolding and out of touch. It makes a lot of assumptions that a contractor will never have insight into. And because of that, no matter how soft the wording it will always come across as self aggrandizing

Re: The fuck off contact page

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Fascinating, I didn't know that, thank you! Basically I dread the wall of email support sometimes because its too exhausting, assumes I am a company myself, assumes I must have a website, assumes I have a role at said supposed company. Also I do not know in how many hours they might respond, Have they even read my message etc. having something like telegram,matrix etc. can help but also at that point, I wonder if the…

You can get ghosted on IM too. Just ask anyone on tinder lol. The downside of IM like Telegram or Matrix or Slack is that it's a broadcast bottle-in-the-sea way of communication. It's everyone's job to answer there, thus it's no one's job to answer there. OTOH contact mail boxes are often direct at people whose job is to read it.

That is completely fair, I totally understand that, but then again, those contact mail boxes end up being very similar to the "fuck off contact page"

Like, I definitely feel exhausted and dont contact those contact pages because of it, I have shared the pain points in the previous thread but they assume me mostly to have my own company, have a position and have a website etc.

I do not mind contacting them via email if its simple. But in reality, it isn't

In my opinion, starting out, I think that companies should definitely have instant messengers as I have had lots of appreciation to those providers who kinda did but anyways, my point here is that those look like "fuck off contact pages" to me and I feel exhausted and tired and don't even contact them and would much rather work with someone who has a discord and I contacted them personally and dm'd them and they understand my customer support solution lets say.

What are your thoughts on the opinion, I definitely get where you are coming from, but I just don't know, maybe make the mail so easy and not make it feel like a void ykwim?

Re: The fuck off contact page

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Fascinating stuff, I really appreciate the high quality comment you have sent to me which I really appreciate I just wanted to inquire about something which wasn't related to my account itself per se. So I think that one of the things which can be done by hetzner in this context is atleast having a community where people can talk to them (similar to scaleway's slack) I am kind of involving myself in such a community…

For smaller providers, I've found that pinging them on social media, esp. Twitter, can help (I've even had the OVH support contact me directly after a public rant on Twitter). Or go to some forum with other people that know them, e.g. lowendtalks often have people that know hetzner, ovh, scaleway, etc in and out. They will also be able to offer comparisons and shoot through the marketing BS they often have. Also, sup…

Lowendtalks is absolutely nice and I am enjoying it a lot. I thought that cloud was centralized or cheap servers would be absolutely bad but to be honest I am enjoying the niche of low end servers too and they feel more personal to me :p

Very interesting that you mention twitter, my problem is that, I do not have twitter and do not intend on having one. Maybe mastodon?

Sorry for making this multi threaded simultaneous discussions lol but as we were talking about contact pages, I think that the best discussion that we can have in my opinion with my ideals and etc. too is if a company is active on mastodon. Like we were talking how IM's etc. can be ghosted etc. which is fair too (one of my issues on OVH discord was solved, the other wasnt and I was ghosted yes)

Having a frequent mastodon presence can be huge for such a company then. Maybe that can be a compromise I am willing to do if they mention in their website that they are active on mastodon or similar. I think it might be the best way then.

Like imagine a company's contact page said that "we are active on mastodon and you can (ping?) us on there regarding any issues/support inqueries"

Fediverse definitely needs an private dm features similar to twitter then I guess too but this might be outside of the scope of this discussion which might I say I enjoyed so have a nice day sir!

Re: The fuck off contact page

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You're going to laugh, but this is why I stick with AWS. They've twice helped me with billing issues on my personal account - as in an actual human helping me. They have no idea I manage large (not huge) AWS deployments at my day job. They just demonstrate great customer service to me as a small client. So they have me as a loyal customer. And advocate, it seems.

>They have no idea I manage large (not huge) AWS deployments I wonder if that is true? Like, how tenacious are they with knowing customers? If the same IP address was used to login to manage two deployments would customer service see a potential link in their interface? I'm never quite sure in our supposed data-driven economy how clever companies get with this stuff.

AWS specifically has a policy of having strong support regardless of how much money they're getting from you, be it $5/mo or $5,000/mo. They definitely have the resources and signals to connect the dots, but it doesn't necessarily effect whether you get support, unless that SigInt tells them you're abusing the system (Eg Scammer/Spammer/Bad Actor) in some way. More money certainly seems to get you better support, but even entry level users still get decent support, and any SigInt connecting of the dots that may or may not be happening doesn't seem to have an impact unless you're using the same billing/contact info or account. That said, I can't objectively say what their customer support reps actually see regarding that kind of info, but after 2 decades of working with clients big and small using or considering AWS, I can confirm their approach to support is genuinely quite good, especially for the "Cheaper" end of offerings compared to competitors.

Hell, they still treat me well despite being a very out-spoken critic socially, and professional have steered a lot of clients away from their ecosystem and thus am objectively responsible for very real losses in revenue; though ultimately still surely a rounding error to their bottom line.

For context, these days I primarily work in helping people deploy performant and/or secure storage systems and associated networks. "This is how much money you're wasting by using AWS/the cloud" is a common approach for us, and the most common counter-point is how good AWS support is (and they're not wrong).

TL;DR: I have lots to criticize about AWS, but their support isn't really one of them, it's genuinely good especially for small users. Also, for many people AWS is perfectly fine, I still use them off and on myself. I only allege it's a "waste of money" in specific situations, but that's also largely subjective of course depending on what's important to you/the client.

Re: The fuck off contact page

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I think it will vary considerably depending on the size, resolution, and quality of your display.

I read on a 16” MacBook Pro. Size and display quality were not an issue. I could have read it entirely with the aliased font, but it triggered me just enough for me to disable it (I’m doing web dev these days, so it took me ~5s; if it would have taken me more I would not have done it).

Somehow I expected a downvote, but I'm not really clear on why…

Re: The fuck off contact page

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I think the last point combined with some real data or case studies would prompt introspection. Anecdotally I stick to companies with good customer support like glue, even if their product is inferior. It's an absolute wonder to be taken seriously by a company, to have feedback integrated into future products, or just have small issues taken care of without hassle.

You're going to laugh, but this is why I stick with AWS. They've twice helped me with billing issues on my personal account - as in an actual human helping me. They have no idea I manage large (not huge) AWS deployments at my day job. They just demonstrate great customer service to me as a small client. So they have me as a loyal customer. And advocate, it seems.

I realized recently that i somehow had been subscribed to prime disney+ for like 6 months.

It was _super_ annoying to figure out how to actually chat with a human, but once i did they gave me a refund for the full 6 months, simple as that.

Re: The fuck off contact page

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post #56

Wow I love the design of this site. Really hit some right notes for me. If you’re going to talk about reviving the ”old web” on hn, please follow through and reach for the originality level of this. So many thoughtful details.

I hated it. It looks really pretty, but was terrible for reading. Half my phone screen was taken up by icons, and there was no scrollbar so I had no idea how long the article was. I really needed reader mode for it.

Hey, that's what reader mode is for

Re: The fuck off contact page

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post #124

I thought this this was just going to be about over complicated forms that scare people away. Back when I was doing client work for a small agency we would get requests for these contact forms that would have 30+ fields, often many of them required . The forms made strong assumptions about why you were contacting them, and if you did not fit that mold the form was particularly painful. No one wants to take the time t…

It depends. Suppose we are a design agency which build merchandise shops for sports teams. We have specific market knowledge, research, and experience in tailoring these shops to improve the experience for sports fans. Out of the blue, a logistics company contacts us to help them build a merchandise shop. Could we do this? Sure, but it would require a lot of upfront work and given that it's not our area of expertise…

Sure, if you have too much business that you can't be bothered to check these other leads. Same for browser incompatibility: you end up with a form which demands no blocking of anything, many specific js capabilities, MSIE only (I kid - you would think), etc, etc. Each incompatibility might only concern 2% of the population, but the whole mess mostly works flawlessly on the CEO's computer.

A single qualifying question like "What sport does your team play?" is a good direction - instead of the data fetishism of these forms.

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