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NVIDIA frenemy relation with OpenAI and Oracle

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Re: NVIDIA frenemy relation with OpenAI and Oracle

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Its so wild to me that people that should know better pretend that this kind of stuff doesn't happen in every industry.

At this scale? Why don't you give some examples.

MS invested in Apple to keep them afloat so they had a competitor and avoid anti-trust lawsuits.

That seems more nefarious than buying products from each other. Either way it worked out fine for Apple.

Re: NVIDIA frenemy relation with OpenAI and Oracle

#112

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I'm sorry, but did you ask ChatGPT or another LLM to critique this article?

If you think this comment was not written by the account holder or that account sales are occurring, please do as asked by the guidelines in such cases and contact the mods to report that, instead of posting about it in a discussion.

Moderators already told OP to stop and OP did not stop.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46179328

Re: NVIDIA frenemy relation with OpenAI and Oracle

#113
post #3

The critiques of 'circular funding' don't really make sense to me. If you invest 20 billion and you get back 20 billion, your profit is the same. Sure your revenues look higher but investors have access to all that information and should be taking that into account, just like all the other financial data. Michael Burry is betting against AI growth translating into real profits as a whole, not the circular funding.

No. Your revenue increased by 20bn and your profit increased by (for arguments sake) 5bn. You also have 20bn of investments that you then need to value.

Is that bad? Depends. Did the purchase of chips make sense. Would they have done that if someone else say an independent entity invested?

Re: NVIDIA frenemy relation with OpenAI and Oracle

#114
post #90

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then stop wasting peoples time with slop if i wanted to read llm output i'd go dump it into chatgpt into myself

Do I need to explain the meaning of not?

Your AI generated summaries have been repeatedly flagged by HN users. They do not add value to the discussion.

Re: NVIDIA frenemy relation with OpenAI and Oracle

#115
Isn't this type of "circular funding" equivalent to bartering? And why is this a problem?

Basically, the gold rush has reached a point where the shovel seller wants a stake in the operation.

I wonder if we would one day have a situation where NVIDIA no longer wants to sell chips to anyone and just use them themselves. Some special developments would have to occur to reach this point I think.

Re: NVIDIA frenemy relation with OpenAI and Oracle

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This post is written with its intellectual fly open. I'm not sure whether it was partly AI-generated, or whether the author has spent so much time ingesting AI-generated content that the tells have rubbed off, but this article has: - Strange paragraph-lists with bolded first words. e.g. "The Cash Flow Mystery" - The 'It's not just X; it's Y' meme: "Buying Groq wouldn't just [...], it could give them a chip that is ac…

I am laughing really hard. That first sentence of "Final Thoughts" is amazing.

the inconsistent capitalization, the odd punctuation, and the grammar mistakes. Love it.

I want this article to stay on the front page because it is hilarious.

Re: NVIDIA frenemy relation with OpenAI and Oracle

#117
post #87

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Its crypto wash trading.

Why? Wash trading is about selling and then requiring the same asset for tax purposes. How is this analogous, other than that you presumably dislike both practices?

In crypto, wash trading usually refers to the practice of exchanges or project creators colluding to trade the same asset back and forth in order to make the volume/liquidity/popularity look greater than it is.

- "Our coin hit $100M daily volume, get on this rocketship before it's too late!"

- "Our exchange does $1B annually, so you know we're trustworthy!"

- "Hey investors, look at the massive demand for our GPUs (driven by the company we invested $100B)!"

Re: NVIDIA frenemy relation with OpenAI and Oracle

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NAND is built with dozens of layers on one die. HBM DRAM is a dozen-ish dies stacked and interconnected with TSVs, but only one layer of memory cells per die. AMD's X3D CPUs have a single SRAM die stacked on top of the regular CPU+SRAM, with TSVs in the L3 cache to connect to the extra SRAM. I'm not aware of anyone shipping a product that stacks multiple SRAM dies; the tech definitely exists but it may not be economi…

The issue is size, SRAM is 6 transistors per bit while DRAM is 1 transistor and a capacitor. Anyone who wants density starts with DRAM. There’s never been motivation to stack.

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Re: NVIDIA frenemy relation with OpenAI and Oracle

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This post is written with its intellectual fly open. I'm not sure whether it was partly AI-generated, or whether the author has spent so much time ingesting AI-generated content that the tells have rubbed off, but this article has: - Strange paragraph-lists with bolded first words. e.g. "The Cash Flow Mystery" - The 'It's not just X; it's Y' meme: "Buying Groq wouldn't just [...], it could give them a chip that is ac…

In other post: https://philippeoger.com/pages/why-googles-tpu-could-beat-nv... in the paragraph: "What This Means for the Future NVIDIA is not standing still; its Q3 Fiscal 2026 earnings were a record \$57.0 billion in revenue, with Data Center revenue hitting \$51.2 billion. But the growing adoption of TPUs introduces a long-term risk to NVIDIA's core business model." they write about 2026 as if it already was. Could be a human typo or AI mistake.
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