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Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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This feels like a dangerous game they're playing. Yes, there is some lock in, but competitors exist and are better than ever. The new "features" they're justifying this with (Copilot) isn't even something that most people want

> This feels like a dangerous game they're playing.

There are different types of danger in playing the "We are the Monsters" game that Microsoft and the US Intelligence agencies seem to love.

There's the danger their allies in Europe like Germany running the Open Document Foundation aren't as powerful as they think. I'm sorry if that's the case and I wouldn't want to be making those calculations.

But there's a different danger to normal US citizens just trying to live their fucking lives and build their life spreadsheet. It's so easy nowadays to fall into the trap of identifying more with European values, including digital data protection and open source. Or wanting to leave the country.

But some people don't want to be forced out of their home when they're vulnerable. It hurts knowing we are seen as monsters ourselves and I don't blame that sentiment.

But where will the next generation be shifted to?

Launched to Europe after Canada? Then launched into Space?

It's tied into the other social situations like public support for Luigi Mangione's actions and horrible calls for the death of political actors. You know it's a convenient way to demonize a large portion of the population and legally protect institutions like the FBI. Who does important work and is just doing their fucking job.

That game isn't as dangerous for them. The cost to them is minimal, but huge for citizens stuck down here.

It sucks. I really do love the work Microsoft has done in the past decade with LSP and developer experience.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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post #164

Switched to the free OnlyOffice a year ago and never looked back: https://www.onlyoffice.com/desktop https://github.com/ONLYOFFICE

Wow, I hadn’t heard about this before. I like that it’s FOSS with AGPL 3. The OnlyOffice screenshots of the spreadsheet application look beautiful (compared to the ugly LibreOffice Calc ones). It says that it works with ODS files (which LibreOffice Calc uses). Any gotchas to be aware of with OnlyOffice?

https://www.softmaker.com/en/products/softmaker-office is a thing as well, and I prefer it to Only Office. The maker is German.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zoho and Collabora spring immediately to mind.

Zoho is crap. Sure, on the tin it comes with 64 different things, but many are poorly integrated and feature set is just enough to be like "Yes, we have that feature."

As of what date?

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

#204
post #25

If most companies had to for some reason revert to Windows XP and MS Office from 1998, they would barely be impacted. There is literally no benefit to this subscription model besides paying for what you already have and what you don't want. None of this stuff needs to be on the cloud even for bigger firms. For the I need/like X in Office 365, it's not worth it from a costs perspective.

Bullshit. Just from a document editing perspective, going back to a network share where only one person can edit a doc is not going to fly. I used to have to deal with this as IT/desktop support and it fucking sucked. Docs in the cloud give you better collab capabilities and remove the need to have fancy networking, VPNs, international security exclusion groups etc, domain controller bullshit, connecting all of the companies offices together. Connect to the Internet, and all your stuff is there no matter where you are. It sounds like you've never had to support the infra for office workers before. This is way better than it used to be. For a small company, sure, do whatever. But the bigger it gets, the harder all that shit becomes and requires a lot of work to keep it running.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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post #164

Switched to the free OnlyOffice a year ago and never looked back: https://www.onlyoffice.com/desktop https://github.com/ONLYOFFICE

Wow, I hadn’t heard about this before. I like that it’s FOSS with AGPL 3. The OnlyOffice screenshots of the spreadsheet application look beautiful (compared to the ugly LibreOffice Calc ones). It says that it works with ODS files (which LibreOffice Calc uses). Any gotchas to be aware of with OnlyOffice?

It's a bit slower performance wise

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

#206
As an alternative, if you need Office, just search the web, there are plenty of places selling legitimate Office 2024 licenses for the cost of one month of one of these subscriptions.

[also massgrave will activate Office if you are really stuck...]

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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They also are actively decreasing the value by sunsetting Publisher in October 2026 [0]. Hilariously, the suggested replacement is PowerPoint, despite it being unable to natively open .pub files. The solution for that? Run a powershell script to convert all your publisher files to (uneditable) PDF. There are many memes about inserting photos into Word, and the content flying around and breaking. My pet theory is that…

I was thinking the same thing about people seemingly not knowing about Publisher.

And I always found those memes about photos moving around your text annoying, because that it literally what you want when making a document (you know, what Word is designed for) (but you can just change the behaviour if you want a different layout anyway).

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

#208
post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since when does any organization factor in inflation for renewals from vendors?! All the purchase renewal decisions I've been part of have been: 1) Will they budge on renewal rates? 2) Does an alternative vendor exist? 3) Is the increase reasonable compared to the cost of switching to an alternative? 4) Do we anticipate future price increases, and if so, how can we prepare ourselves to consider a switch in the future…

>Since when does any organization factor in inflation for renewals from vendors?! Don't ask me, ask the person who posed the question of inflation in the first place. That said... >All the purchase renewal decisions I've been part of have been: All but one of the reasons you listed are tied to inflation in some way. Inflation affects everything in the economy, so a company that doesn't raise prices in line with it is…

> All but one of the reasons you listed are tied to inflation in some way.

Only if you assert that all prices move together at the same velocity.

It's usually a reasonable thing to assert, when the economy isn't in a complete revolution. And it's a really bad premise right now.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

#209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zoho is crap. Sure, on the tin it comes with 64 different things, but many are poorly integrated and feature set is just enough to be like "Yes, we have that feature."

As of what date?

Probably been about 2 years since I was forced to last use it but with amount of slop being added, their development priorities would have to massively changed.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry but what does this mean? I can't quite parse it. What tooling was ubiquitous?

They probably meant Publisher, which was a part of every more expensive MS Office deal. It was simple to use and much more suitable than Word for simple design jobs (business cards, leaflets, stationary, etc) and with which the "average" MS Office user could now do what was once the domain of DTP "professionals".

I did not mean this.
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