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NVIDIA frenemy relation with OpenAI and Oracle

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Re: NVIDIA frenemy relation with OpenAI and Oracle

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The critiques of 'circular funding' don't really make sense to me. If you invest 20 billion and you get back 20 billion, your profit is the same. Sure your revenues look higher but investors have access to all that information and should be taking that into account, just like all the other financial data. Michael Burry is betting against AI growth translating into real profits as a whole, not the circular funding.

if you invest 20 and get 20 then you got 0% profit

0% NET accretive profit - the OP was saying that the invest/return wash doesn't affect prior profitability, just revenue. Obviously, the new profitability inclusive of the new revenue will actually by lower because of the zero margin wash trade.

Re: NVIDIA frenemy relation with OpenAI and Oracle

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The Burry short is just one data point, but the "facts we know" are piling up fast.

Here is a possible roadmap for the coming correction:

1. The Timeline: We are looking at a winter. A very dark and cold winter. Whether it hits before Christmas or mid-Q1 is a rounding error; the gap between valuations and fundamentals has widened enough to be physically uncomfortable.

The Burry thesis—focused on depreciation schedules and circular revenue—is likely just the mechanical trigger for a sentiment cascade.

2. The Big Players:

Google: Likely takes the smallest hit. A merger between DeepMind and Anthropic is not far-fetched (unless Satya goes all the way).

By consolidating the most capable models under one roof, Google insulates itself from the hardware crash better than anyone else.

OpenAI: They look "half naked." It is becoming impossible to ignore the leadership vacuum. It’s hard to find people who’ve worked closely with Altman who speak well of his integrity, and the exits of Sutskever, Schulman, and others tell the real story.

For a company at that valuation, leadership credibility isn’t a soft factor—it’s a structural risk.

3. The "Pre-Product" Unicorns: We are going to see a reality check for the ex-OpenAI, pre-product, multi-billion valuation labs like SSI and Thinking Machines.

These are prime candidates for "acquihres" once capital tightens. They are built on assumptions of infinite capital availability that are about to evaporate.

4. The Downstream Impact:

The second and third tier—specifically recent YC batches built on API wrappers and hype—will suffer the most from this catastrophic twister.

When the tide goes out, the "Yes" men who got carried away by the wave will be shouting the loudest, pretending they saw it coming all along

Re: NVIDIA frenemy relation with OpenAI and Oracle

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> However, Groq’s architecture relies on SRAM (Static RAM). Since SRAM is typically built in logic fabs (like TSMC) alongside the processors themselves, it theoretically shouldn't face the same supply chain crunch as HBM. It's true SRAM comes with your logic, you get a TSMC N3 (or N6 or whatever) wafer, you got SRAM. Unfortunately SRAM just doesn't have the capacity you have to augment with DRAM which you see compani…

SRAM scaling also hit a wall a while ago, so you can't really count on new processes allowing for significantly higher density in the future. That's more of a longer-term issue with the SRAM gambit that'll come into play after the DRAM shortage is over though - logic and DRAM will keep improving while SRAM probably stays more or less where it is now.

Re: NVIDIA frenemy relation with OpenAI and Oracle

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post #22

The Burry short is just one data point, but the "facts we know" are piling up fast. Here is a possible roadmap for the coming correction: 1. The Timeline: We are looking at a winter. A very dark and cold winter. Whether it hits before Christmas or mid-Q1 is a rounding error; the gap between valuations and fundamentals has widened enough to be physically uncomfortable. The Burry thesis—focused on depreciation schedule…

Is this AI-written?

Re: NVIDIA frenemy relation with OpenAI and Oracle

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post #22

The Burry short is just one data point, but the "facts we know" are piling up fast. Here is a possible roadmap for the coming correction: 1. The Timeline: We are looking at a winter. A very dark and cold winter. Whether it hits before Christmas or mid-Q1 is a rounding error; the gap between valuations and fundamentals has widened enough to be physically uncomfortable. The Burry thesis—focused on depreciation schedule…

Very helpful, an AI comment analyzing an analysis of AI

Re: NVIDIA frenemy relation with OpenAI and Oracle

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post #3

The critiques of 'circular funding' don't really make sense to me. If you invest 20 billion and you get back 20 billion, your profit is the same. Sure your revenues look higher but investors have access to all that information and should be taking that into account, just like all the other financial data. Michael Burry is betting against AI growth translating into real profits as a whole, not the circular funding.

If you invest $100B and get back $40B in sales, you're investing $60B of money and $40B of your products. This is simple stuff. The question is whether or not it is a good investment. Probably not.

Re: NVIDIA frenemy relation with OpenAI and Oracle

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The circular funding is concerning, but more concerning are suggestions that supply might be vastly exceeding demand. Not that people don’t want chips but that the chip production now exceeds the ability to power them up and use them. The shortage is power and racks in data centers ready to go. Folks are running numbers suggesting there’s a bunched chips now just sitting around.

That, combined with some cooling from an AI hype bubble burst (see separate articles about companies missing quota as folks aren’t buying as much AI as the hype hoped) and there’s a potential ugly future where the headline demand plummets in top of idle chips waiting to be powered on. Suddenly the market is flooded with chips nobody wants.

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