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Re: Bad Dye Job

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I really have to wonder who Gruber’s sources are. His statement “prior to today never heard much about [Steve Lemay]” leads me to think he doesn’t have intimate access to anyone deeply familiar with design decisions, because anyone who’s spent a little bit of time behind closed doors in that space absolutely knows who Lemay is. But then he quotes sources who are supposedly “in a position to know the choices”, which w…

I took it as him not knowing the person then asking about the person from sources within the company.

Re: Bad Dye Job

#103
In the article, he asks why Apple didn't replace Dye with a "Dye acolyte".

Nerd that i am, I immediately thought perhaps the phrase "Dye acolyte" raises a null pointer exception.

Re: Bad Dye Job

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many times would appease you?

At least 50% as harsh before his departure than he is afterwards.

How about this sarcastic and brutal bit, on his podcast (end of July):

"But maybe instead of firing him, they start selling pizzas out of the back of Apple stores and Alan Dye can run that and do the graphic design on the boxes. Do the menus. I think Alan Dye could kill that with his Levi's experience, right?"

That's rougher than anything he has said post-firing, in my opinion.

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#105
post #22

Last week I was driving and a popup from apple music to accept more terms and conditions showed up on top of Maps. It was a tense 25 minutes of interchanges without nav before traffic was clear enough to deny the terms, and I purged the app and cancelled the subscription afterward.

Something similar, except it was a map alert that covered the map to see upcoming exits -- and there wasn't a clear way to dismiss it. It was FU UX.

Re: Bad Dye Job

#106

I think Apple have jumped the shark, personally. Sure, trillion-dollar business and all that - but at the folk level, they have become the very thing they were always resisting: a tired old monopoly enforcing principles on their customers which are not in the customers' best interests. OS vendors have lost the plot. Where a company decides to try to build an operating system for mass acceptance at scale these days, t…

I have concerns too, but the file manager on macOS is not among them. The Finder has barely changed since its OS X 10.2 incarnation over two decades ago, except for gaining features (many of which were demanded by power users). A few settings need toggling on a fresh install (turning on status bar and path bar are musts, as is ~/Library visibility), but that’s the worst of it. Neither it nor the rest of macOS do much…

People being able to organise their lives with their computers has been a thing since the beginning of the personal computer. The filesystems we have were never really the 'best' - just the most viable.

The filesystem UI has been abandoned in favour of newer, better abstractions, such as 'just throw it all at the Cloud and let our analysis software give you a front-end to it, eventually..'

I think users not understanding filesystems isn't really a computing problem, but a literacy one. In some senses, computing becomes the victim of itself.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have concerns too, but the file manager on macOS is not among them. The Finder has barely changed since its OS X 10.2 incarnation over two decades ago, except for gaining features (many of which were demanded by power users). A few settings need toggling on a fresh install (turning on status bar and path bar are musts, as is ~/Library visibility), but that’s the worst of it. Neither it nor the rest of macOS do much…

People being able to organise their lives with their computers has been a thing since the beginning of the personal computer. The filesystems we have were never really the 'best' - just the most viable. The filesystem UI has been abandoned in favour of newer, better abstractions, such as 'just throw it all at the Cloud and let our analysis software give you a front-end to it, eventually..' I think users not understan…

I would seriously question if “throw it at the cloud” is actually better or if it only became popular because that’s what’s most profitable for companies to push users into using. Local hierarchical storage doesn’t give nearly as many opportunities for rent seeking and data harvesting.

Cloud storage certainly has a convenience factor which is worth considering, but at the same time most people don’t actually need everything available everywhere at all times and only have a handful of files that can intentionally be synced as needed. I really don’t believe that supplanting traditional filesystems with a big bag of data that lives in the cloud is the right answer.

Re: Bad Dye Job

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s had the position for 10 years and you found two mentions?

There are a lot more. Here’s another I found in under half a minute: https://daringfireball.net/2025/08/macos_26_tahoes_dead_cana... You seem to have already had your mind made up, though, and are maybe not actually interested in evidence.

He doesn't even mention his name in this article.

Let's all pretend he totally wasn't going out of his way to prevent burning bridges with his Apple connections but starts throwing Alan under the bus after he's gone like he was so obviously the problem at Apple.

Re: Bad Dye Job

#109
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot more. Here’s another I found in under half a minute: https://daringfireball.net/2025/08/macos_26_tahoes_dead_cana... You seem to have already had your mind made up, though, and are maybe not actually interested in evidence.

He doesn't even mention his name in this article. Let's all pretend he totally wasn't going out of his way to prevent burning bridges with his Apple connections but starts throwing Alan under the bus after he's gone like he was so obviously the problem at Apple.

We don’t have to pretend; there’s ample evidence. Here’s one from 2020 that specifically calls Dye out: https://daringfireball.net/2021/01/my_2020_apple_report_card

You seem to have an axe to grind against Gruber, are immune to all evidence against your preconceived worldview, and are projecting this behavior onto the other side of the discussion.

Re: Bad Dye Job

#110
post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He doesn't even mention his name in this article. Let's all pretend he totally wasn't going out of his way to prevent burning bridges with his Apple connections but starts throwing Alan under the bus after he's gone like he was so obviously the problem at Apple.

We don’t have to pretend; there’s ample evidence. Here’s one from 2020 that specifically calls Dye out: https://daringfireball.net/2021/01/my_2020_apple_report_card You seem to have an axe to grind against Gruber, are immune to all evidence against your preconceived worldview, and are projecting this behavior onto the other side of the discussion.

The same example shared upthread.

So two mentions in 5 years?

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