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Re: Bad Dye Job

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Post by whynotminot »

pupppet wrote: post #67
elicash wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quickly googled his website and found this from January 2021: > [...] I’m reminded of all the UI and interaction designs and changes in iOS and MacOS that are just bad. There’s a real sense that Apple’s current HI team, under Alan Dye, is a “design is what it looks like” group, not a “design is how it works” group. And this, from June of this year: > Re-watching Jobs’s introduction of Aqua for the umpteenth time, I s…

He’s had the position for 10 years and you found two mentions?

How many times would appease you?

Re: Bad Dye Job

#72

Post by jeffbee »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #55
carlosjobim wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cell phones from other brands have Touch ID and it works great. Apple has Touch ID on their iPads and it also works great. As it does on the MacBooks. As it does on the iPhone SE. It should be brought back.

I am not a fan, simply because of the screen real estate that needs to be sacrificed. Other phones tend to have it on the back, and I have heard there's good progress in having embedded thumbprint readers in the screen. I have, however, really come to like Face ID. [UPDATED TO ADD] I think that it's interesting that folks ding comments they disagree with. I upvoted all the responses to my comment, even though they ma…

My phone has the fingerprint reader under the display. It sacrifices no space.

Re: Bad Dye Job

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Post by raldi »

pupppet wrote: post #67
elicash wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quickly googled his website and found this from January 2021: > [...] I’m reminded of all the UI and interaction designs and changes in iOS and MacOS that are just bad. There’s a real sense that Apple’s current HI team, under Alan Dye, is a “design is what it looks like” group, not a “design is how it works” group. And this, from June of this year: > Re-watching Jobs’s introduction of Aqua for the umpteenth time, I s…

He’s had the position for 10 years and you found two mentions?

There are a lot more. Here’s another I found in under half a minute:

https://daringfireball.net/2025/08/macos_26_tahoes_dead_cana...

You seem to have already had your mind made up, though, and are maybe not actually interested in evidence.

Re: Bad Dye Job

#74

Post by dfxm12 »

skylurk wrote: post #22

Last week I was driving and a popup from apple music to accept more terms and conditions showed up on top of Maps. It was a tense 25 minutes of interchanges without nav before traffic was clear enough to deny the terms, and I purged the app and cancelled the subscription afterward.

Did it block the audio from your maps app, too?

Re: Bad Dye Job

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Post by raldi »

muglug wrote: post #24

This is like a Man United fan discussing a player who just left for a rival team. You sort of expect a large amount of bitterness.

More like a fan who had long been complaining loudly and publicly about one of the coaches rejoicing when they left.

Re: Bad Dye Job

#76

Post by losvedir »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #55
carlosjobim wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cell phones from other brands have Touch ID and it works great. Apple has Touch ID on their iPads and it also works great. As it does on the MacBooks. As it does on the iPhone SE. It should be brought back.

I am not a fan, simply because of the screen real estate that needs to be sacrificed. Other phones tend to have it on the back, and I have heard there's good progress in having embedded thumbprint readers in the screen. I have, however, really come to like Face ID. [UPDATED TO ADD] I think that it's interesting that folks ding comments they disagree with. I upvoted all the responses to my comment, even though they ma…

"needs to be sacrificed"? You yourself give other options.

* Some iPads have the finger print reader on the side of the device, on the power button.

* Old Google Pixels had it on the back, conveniently able to be accessed with your index finger as you take the phone out of your pocket.

* Current Google Pixels have it where you just touch the screen.

My Google Pixel 10 has both an in-the-screen fingerprint reader, and a Face ID, and I use both. They're both useful in different situations.

Re: Bad Dye Job

#77

Post by carlosjobim »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #55
carlosjobim wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cell phones from other brands have Touch ID and it works great. Apple has Touch ID on their iPads and it also works great. As it does on the MacBooks. As it does on the iPhone SE. It should be brought back.

I am not a fan, simply because of the screen real estate that needs to be sacrificed. Other phones tend to have it on the back, and I have heard there's good progress in having embedded thumbprint readers in the screen. I have, however, really come to like Face ID. [UPDATED TO ADD] I think that it's interesting that folks ding comments they disagree with. I upvoted all the responses to my comment, even though they ma…

>I have heard there's good progress in having embedded thumbprint readers in the screen.

Samsung phones have had a perfectly working finger print reader under the screen for many years now. There is no more progress to be made, it is complete.

Re: Bad Dye Job

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

losvedir wrote: post #76
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not a fan, simply because of the screen real estate that needs to be sacrificed. Other phones tend to have it on the back, and I have heard there's good progress in having embedded thumbprint readers in the screen. I have, however, really come to like Face ID. [UPDATED TO ADD] I think that it's interesting that folks ding comments they disagree with. I upvoted all the responses to my comment, even though they ma…

"needs to be sacrificed"? You yourself give other options. * Some iPads have the finger print reader on the side of the device, on the power button. * Old Google Pixels had it on the back, conveniently able to be accessed with your index finger as you take the phone out of your pocket. * Current Google Pixels have it where you just touch the screen. My Google Pixel 10 has both an in-the-screen fingerprint reader, and…

> My Google Pixel 10 has both an in-the-screen fingerprint reader, and a Face ID, and I use both. They're both useful in different situations.

That sounds great.

> Some iPads have the finger print reader on the side of the device, on the power button.

My main iPad is a Mini (latest gen). It has the Touch ID on the top. I find it to be a bit "flaky." It often misses prints. However, I think it works amazingly well, given that it's just a strip.

I also have an iPad Pro, with FaceID. That works nicely. I like that it works in both portrait and landscape. That didn't happen in my older phones, but seems to be the case in my latest (17 Pro).

Re: Bad Dye Job

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Post by troupo »

gyomu wrote: post #5

I really have to wonder who Gruber’s sources are. His statement “prior to today never heard much about [Steve Lemay]” leads me to think he doesn’t have intimate access to anyone deeply familiar with design decisions, because anyone who’s spent a little bit of time behind closed doors in that space absolutely knows who Lemay is. But then he quotes sources who are supposedly “in a position to know the choices”, which w…

Me feeling is that his sources are mostly programmers and perhaps some managers.

It's also possible he has very few sources left: he's an outsider to the company, and it's hard to maintain sources since people leave, move to different positions etc.

Re: Bad Dye Job

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Post by tobr »

tobr wrote: post #23
euroderf wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The healing begins with a joint HW/SW effort: bring iPhone touch ID back, and strip Liquid Glass down to the bare wood and fix it.

Liquid Glass I agree with. Not sure if the Touch ID comment is intended as a joke.

TIL people have very strong feelings about bringing back Touch ID, to the point where a comment like the above is getting downvotes.
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