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Apple's tribute to Steve Jobs, one year on.

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Re: Apple's tribute to Steve Jobs, one year on.

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Post by mogrim »

endemic wrote: post #167
jonathansizz wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they're the only major company that has a huge and scarily-loyal fan-base who are willing to rationalize major screw-ups as some kind of visionary strategic decision. And they didn't innovate - they replaced a nicely-functioning product with a broken imitation.

As pointed out by others, the screw-up was not admitting that Apple Maps launched as an inferior product. The long-term benefits of a homegrown mapping product were very obvious, such as turn-by-turn and vector tiles.

So tune it, get it right, then release it.

Re: Apple's tribute to Steve Jobs, one year on.

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Post by enjo »

firefoxman1 wrote: post #154
JoeCortopassi wrote: post #110

Yesterday : "Apple is a worthless patent troll. All of their 'inventions' are things that were invented somewhere else. The only thing they did was patent other people's work, then charge twice as much for it to a bunch of worthless fan-boys." Today : "R.I.P. Steve Jobs. He did so much to change the face of technology forever." ` Sometimes you have to sit back and appreciate the fickleness of a crowd...

If other HNers are like me, this might explain it: I'm not a big fan of Apple. And lately I think they've become the "Big Brother" they were fighting in the 1984 commercial. However, I'm a huge Steve Jobs fan. He's right up there with Henry Ford and Fred Harvey on my list. Just watch this little clip and you can see why I like one and not the other: http://www.wimp.com/stevemoment/

I think that Henry Ford is a really good comparison. I admire Henry Ford. He was a true innovator. He was everything an entrepreneur should strive to be.

Yet he was also incredibly flawed. His shortcomings are well documented. I still admire, and attempt to emulate, Henry Ford the entrepreneur even if I don't love the man as a whole.

In the same way I admire Apple (and their embodiment in Steve Jovs) for what they've done, and in many ways emulate their approach and passion for making delightful products. Yet I'm wary, and extremely critical, of much of what they're doing.

I can definitely be both. I want to promote the Apple that makes amazing products, while quashing the Apple that wants to exert utter control over everything.

Re: Apple's tribute to Steve Jobs, one year on.

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Post by twoodfin »

sparkplug wrote: post #169
jfoutz wrote: post #143

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I think, I exemplify what you find fickle. In my humble opinion, Apple does a lot of stuff. Jobs would filter out the ugly and stupid, so Apple appeared a lot cooler than some random fortune 500 company. I'm skeptical of Apple ever regaining a filter like that. I think, they'll lumber around for a few years while their products lose mystique. It's not that their products are much different than android, it's that App…

Suing Samsung was Jobs' legacy. He was planning to do it himself if he lived long enough. He was incredibly petty, especially for an intellectual property thief.

What notable IP did Jobs steal? You don't mean the Xerox PARC stuff, I hope.

Re: Apple's tribute to Steve Jobs, one year on.

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Post by sbochins »

JoeCortopassi wrote: post #110

Yesterday : "Apple is a worthless patent troll. All of their 'inventions' are things that were invented somewhere else. The only thing they did was patent other people's work, then charge twice as much for it to a bunch of worthless fan-boys." Today : "R.I.P. Steve Jobs. He did so much to change the face of technology forever." ` Sometimes you have to sit back and appreciate the fickleness of a crowd...

I still am not a fan of apple and it's views on software patents. I also don't consider Steve Jobs to be a personal hero of mine.

A lot of us don't like to say anything when apple or some blogger puts up a tribute to Jobs. It isn't because we don't have convictions, it's because we have respect for the dead.

Re: Apple's tribute to Steve Jobs, one year on.

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Post by clockstrikesten »

endemic wrote: post #167
jonathansizz wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they're the only major company that has a huge and scarily-loyal fan-base who are willing to rationalize major screw-ups as some kind of visionary strategic decision. And they didn't innovate - they replaced a nicely-functioning product with a broken imitation.

As pointed out by others, the screw-up was not admitting that Apple Maps launched as an inferior product. The long-term benefits of a homegrown mapping product were very obvious, such as turn-by-turn and vector tiles.

I see this implied repeatedly by everyone, so could someone explain how customers on the ground using Apple Maps are somehow providing Apple with any data that could improve the maps?

Re: Apple's tribute to Steve Jobs, one year on.

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Post by notlisted »

MartinCron wrote: post #147
notlisted wrote: post #138

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Seriously, downvotes? I was gonna bring him back! Yeah second, because my immediate problem is getting to my intended destination tonight and since the upgrade which screwed with my WiFi tethering and maps that's a problem. It would take even him more than a couple of hours to fix this. A downgrade I could do myself, if Apple allowed it that is...

my immediate problem is getting to my intended destination tonight Just in case you hadn't noticed, complaining about your inability to get to where you're going with your new maps app looks really whiny and entitled. Go back just a few short years in human history and we didn't have any smartphones with maps and GPS, and you know what? people actually managed to find their destinations. Get some perspective.

It worked three weeks ago, now it doesn't. So I miss Jobs.

FYI, I was a participant at the root of that development (drove with GPS on the roof of a mini cooper in 1992, the company I worked for then, licensed data to Google Maps for many years). The perspective I have is that there was no reason to screw with something that worked at the expense of the user.

Still miss jobs.

My wife's Android navigation will do tonight. Her S3 Looks pretty nifty suddenly.

Re: Apple's tribute to Steve Jobs, one year on.

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Post by saurabhpalan »

Its not about the idea, about the product or about the technology. It was Steve's unique way to change the way a product is made, to make it intuitive, elegant and simple which set him apart.

Its not the idea, but implementation of the idea, in the most creative and beautiful manner, that matters.

Re: Apple's tribute to Steve Jobs, one year on.

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Post by MartinCron »

notlisted wrote: post #188
MartinCron wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

my immediate problem is getting to my intended destination tonight Just in case you hadn't noticed, complaining about your inability to get to where you're going with your new maps app looks really whiny and entitled. Go back just a few short years in human history and we didn't have any smartphones with maps and GPS, and you know what? people actually managed to find their destinations. Get some perspective.

It worked three weeks ago, now it doesn't. So I miss Jobs. FYI, I was a participant at the root of that development (drove with GPS on the roof of a mini cooper in 1992, the company I worked for then, licensed data to Google Maps for many years). The perspective I have is that there was no reason to screw with something that worked at the expense of the user. Still miss jobs. My wife's Android navigation will do toni…

I miss Jobs as well. On that we can absolutely agree.
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