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Germany votes to bring in voluntary military service programme for 18-year-olds

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Re: Germany votes to bring in voluntary military service programme for 18-year-olds

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Post by platevoltage »

alistairSH wrote: post #77
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> does the suspension make the current state in Germany similar to the Selective Service requirement in the US? I don't know how the Selective Service requirement in the US works, so I can't answer this question. > Or is it “easy” for the German government to establish a draft? Such a (temporary) suspension can hypothetically terminated at any time by the government. The question is basically how the population will…

In the US, men have to register for potential draft within a few months of turning 18. Women still exempt. But instituting an active draft wound take an act of congress and be signed by president - very unlikely to pass for the same reason you mention in German - the population likely wouldn’t stand for it.

This current US administration, who didn't win a majority in the first place, is under water on every issue, and is currently on a mission gerrymander everywhere they can in order to not lose congress in a year. What the people are willing to stand for doesn't matter.

Re: Germany votes to bring in voluntary military service programme for 18-year-olds

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Post by KellyCriterion »

Germanys problem is mainly not the number of recruits: The didnt invest for decades, so structures in the background to handle all those additional young recruits are no more existing. Even if they would draw just 25% of evey year, they would not be able to manage it.

Re: Germany votes to bring in voluntary military service programme for 18-year-olds

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

appreciatorBus wrote: post #17

> "We don't want to spend half a year of our lives locked up in barracks, being trained in drill and obedience and learning to kill," the organisers of the protests wrote in a statement posted on social media. "War offers no prospects for the future and destroys our livelihoods." Is the idea that it’s better for your livelihood to just start learning how speak Russian now?

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Re: Germany votes to bring in voluntary military service programme for 18-year-olds

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Post by bulbar »

throwawaypath wrote: post #103
nicbou wrote: post #28

To offer a bit of context, the same government just voted to raise current pensions at the expense of steep taxation hikes for current workers, made massive cuts to social services, and is now discussing military service. This generation is rightfully feeling like they're getting a sore deal.

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Not sure about refugees, but we are for sure in dire need of migration from skilled workers - health care sector is an example. It's still too complicated to migrate and on the other hand it's to still to difficult to remove criminals. The former government improved the situation, but did not fully solve the problem.

Re: Germany votes to bring in voluntary military service programme for 18-year-olds

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Post by lawn »

appreciatorBus wrote: post #17

> "We don't want to spend half a year of our lives locked up in barracks, being trained in drill and obedience and learning to kill," the organisers of the protests wrote in a statement posted on social media. "War offers no prospects for the future and destroys our livelihoods." Is the idea that it’s better for your livelihood to just start learning how speak Russian now?

Learning to speak Russian, and to live with the massive amount of corruption, prosecution, genocide, and much lower quality of life.

Assuming you survive the initial wave of plunder, rape and murder of course.

Re: Germany votes to bring in voluntary military service programme for 18-year-olds

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Post by riedel »

nicbou wrote: post #28

To offer a bit of context, the same government just voted to raise current pensions at the expense of steep taxation hikes for current workers, made massive cuts to social services, and is now discussing military service. This generation is rightfully feeling like they're getting a sore deal.

The mix is the centrist way of populism: I large number of people affected are not allowed to vote. At the same time the current government consists of the 2 parties that were mostly backed by already retired people or baby-boomers, soon to be retired. We have state elections coming again and the government is largely unpopular and has not delivered on other things, with economic prospects not looking good either. After seeing years of partially misguided 'rational' governments, Germany is clearly shifting towards a more populist path (unclear which political direction, but we all know who are the best at this game, particularly if the generation 'never-again' won't vote anymore)

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Post by roenxi »

appreciatorBus wrote: post #17

> "We don't want to spend half a year of our lives locked up in barracks, being trained in drill and obedience and learning to kill," the organisers of the protests wrote in a statement posted on social media. "War offers no prospects for the future and destroys our livelihoods." Is the idea that it’s better for your livelihood to just start learning how speak Russian now?

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Post by Bombthecat »

bulbar wrote: post #114
throwawaypath wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Not sure about refugees, but we are for sure in dire need of migration from skilled workers - health care sector is an example. It's still too complicated to migrate and on the other hand it's to still to difficult to remove criminals. The former government improved the situation, but did not fully solve the problem.

No skilled worker in their right mind will go to Europe/ Germany

Re: Germany votes to bring in voluntary military service programme for 18-year-olds

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Post by LoFiSamurai »

Bombthecat wrote: post #118
bulbar wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure about refugees, but we are for sure in dire need of migration from skilled workers - health care sector is an example. It's still too complicated to migrate and on the other hand it's to still to difficult to remove criminals. The former government improved the situation, but did not fully solve the problem.

No skilled worker in their right mind will go to Europe/ Germany

Why?

Re: Germany votes to bring in voluntary military service programme for 18-year-olds

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aleph_minus_one wrote: post #38
appreciatorBus wrote: post #17

> "We don't want to spend half a year of our lives locked up in barracks, being trained in drill and obedience and learning to kill," the organisers of the protests wrote in a statement posted on social media. "War offers no prospects for the future and destroys our livelihoods." Is the idea that it’s better for your livelihood to just start learning how speak Russian now?

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