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Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Post by bloppe »

doublextremevil wrote: post #6

the whole pc laptop industry really is an embarrassment right now. It has been 5 years since the M1 Macbook release, and there is no real equivalent. I'm on a thinkpad x9, which might be the closest I've seen, but the cpu performance just isn't as good.

XPS 13 has snapdragon x elite and is very well built. Not sure how good Linux support is, tho. I run Linux on my Intel-based XPS 14 and it's pretty good, apart from the webcam being totally uncalibrated and looking kinda shite, but at least it works.

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Post by sroerick »

spaniard89277 wrote: post #23
doublextremevil wrote: post #6

the whole pc laptop industry really is an embarrassment right now. It has been 5 years since the M1 Macbook release, and there is no real equivalent. I'm on a thinkpad x9, which might be the closest I've seen, but the cpu performance just isn't as good.

Starlabs is pretty close IMO

I bought the StarLabs tablet, and it was... Okay.

The tablet itself has been good. The firmware support is good. The charger died, and the keyboard case is on its last legs. I had to solder the pins back on to keep it working. It's an acceptable keyboard case, but the 'a' key doesn't work super well. Still a decent product, particularly for a Linux convertable, but definitely not something I would give my dad.

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Post by jedbrooke »

> Consumer electronics naming is very simple. Make a good product with a simple name. “iPhone”, “comma”, “Z Fold”. Then every year or two, add one to the number of that product. If it’s a small refresh, you can add a letter after the number. “2 3 3X 4” “4 4s 5 5s 6 …” “2 3 4 5 6 7” Why is this so hard for companies like HP?

Oh man I feel this every time there’s a games console launch. I still have no idea what the latest Xbox is called but Sony gets it right with “Playstation ”

Apple loses some points here since every macbook from like 2007 until 2020 was just called “Macbook pro” with no year officially in the name so you have to be really careful when eg looking at used listings for macbooks. But since the M1 it’s been good with M

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Post by cesarvarela »

doublextremevil wrote: post #6

the whole pc laptop industry really is an embarrassment right now. It has been 5 years since the M1 Macbook release, and there is no real equivalent. I'm on a thinkpad x9, which might be the closest I've seen, but the cpu performance just isn't as good.

The industry also didn't keep up with the trackpad, which should be simpler.

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Post by bloppe »

I agree about some criticisms of the framework. I think they could do away with the plug modules and just go all in on usb-c. I don't mind the occasional dongle for HDMI. I also would prefer a thinner screen bezel, even if that means it's not swappable either.

But having easy access to internal hardware for upgrades is pretty huge. Rather than blowing 1-2k on a new machine every few years, it's just $200-500 for more RAM and a better CPU (assuming prices go back to normal in a reasonable amount of time)

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Post by linguae »

MarsIronPI wrote: post #20

All I want is a thinner Thinkpad X220 but with upped specs and newer ports. Framework-style upgradable motherboard would be nice but optional. The X220 already has a perfect keyboard, a mousing system that doesn't suck (sorry, I've never been happy with a trackpad: they feel too imprecise), a beautiful form factor for a laptop (if I want a laptop, I want it to be 12-14in for easiest portability), it's practically ind…

It's not just you; I would also love a modern ThinkPad x220. I have a Framework 13 and I enjoy it, though I wish it had better battery life. The perfect laptop for me would be my Framework 13 with a classic ThinkPad keyboard.

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Post by miningape »

kevinherron wrote: post #34

One model/configuration will never work because developers are awful, picky customers. You’ll lose 90,000 of your 100,000 with one or more little nitpicks. Probably 50% right off the bat because you chose a keyboard with or without a numpad. Another huge chunk because you chose the wrong screen (Retina resolution? Low resolution? Refresh rate?) Too bad, because I want this. Or at least the version of it I have in my…

Apple / macbooks seem to be doing fine

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Post by [deleted] »

miningape wrote: post #47
kevinherron wrote: post #34

One model/configuration will never work because developers are awful, picky customers. You’ll lose 90,000 of your 100,000 with one or more little nitpicks. Probably 50% right off the bat because you chose a keyboard with or without a numpad. Another huge chunk because you chose the wrong screen (Retina resolution? Low resolution? Refresh rate?) Too bad, because I want this. Or at least the version of it I have in my…

Apple / macbooks seem to be doing fine

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Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Post by mikestorrent »

jedbrooke wrote: post #43

> Consumer electronics naming is very simple. Make a good product with a simple name. “iPhone”, “comma”, “Z Fold”. Then every year or two, add one to the number of that product. If it’s a small refresh, you can add a letter after the number. “2 3 3X 4” “4 4s 5 5s 6 …” “2 3 4 5 6 7” Why is this so hard for companies like HP? Oh man I feel this every time there’s a games console launch. I still have no idea what the la…

We could have had Xbox 720, 1080... but no. xbox 1 x one one x triple X amsterdam edition.

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Post by femiagbabiaka »

krick wrote: post #15

I wonder why ThinkPads are not mentioned. It's not like I recommend them (I mean, I use one, but it's not like I've tried most laptops out there, so who I am to judge), but I was under the impression it's still a de-facto Linux laptop standard.

Thinkpads are probably fine if that's the price point you're shopping at, but the modern ones are not good value. HP has the best mobile workstation available currently.
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