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Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Oh I didn't know Gnome was the official flavour now, last time I paid attention it was still KDE

I don't think it's ever been KDE.

Indeed. In fact, only recently the Fedora KDE version was elevated to "Edition" status and is now on the same tier as the Gnome version.

Most newer popular distros (Bazzite, CachyOS, Zorin, Asahi, etc.) default to KDE now, and it's very nice that Fedora's not only keeping up, but also providing the basis for some of them.

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Interesting how Brian works. I guess it is the UNIX spirit he carries there. Or perhaps he is damn fast with the tabbed WM. Or is that OSX? I use mostly IceWM these days. I can't use the leaner WMs such as ion or ratpoison and XFCE, mate-desktop, KDE and GNOME are too slow or too crap (KDE unfortunately also now; before that only GNOME was crap. KDE killing xorg-support also means it is one less thing I can use anywa…

Out of curiosity, why's xorg a blocker for you?

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Linus Torvalds currently uses Fedora with GNOME, which was fun to learn because that's also been my personal choice for a while now. (source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfv0V1SxbNA )

He said also because fedora seemed the most amenable to running custom kernels which is basically what he does all day.

Which is weird, I've compiled and ran custom kernels and modules on debian before fedora 1.0 iso was announced on freenode/#fedora and it wasn't even good.

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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RMS to me is really a curious case. He doesn't know how to install GNU+Linux and relies on others to do it. He doesn't know how to take a screenshot, and I remember reading other snippets from him about not knowing how to perform other basic tasks.

I don't know why people take him so seriously. He said some decent things about software freedom, and the rest of his entire existence seems to be him being deliberately obtuse and generally off-putting. I find it bizarre that there's this strange carve-out here for him, especially considering that he would absolutely loathe 99% of the software that gets discussed here.

I think that sort of goes hand-in-hand. "Normal", well-rounded people don't decide that software licensing is the most important thing in the world and don't devote their entire life to that. A normal person would be content with a 9-to-5 software engineering job at Sun, IBM, or Microsoft.

I think you see that with a lot of other revolutionaries. They often take unreasonable positions and behave in unreasonable ways. RMS' tragedy is probably that his side more or less won, so now he's just a weirdo without a cause.

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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RMS could have taken a photo of his screen, or done something cheeky like dump his screen to a padded ASCII text file and submitted that. Stick in the mud.

"I don't know how to make a screenshot"

Linus Torvalds often says that he does not know how to do X (like install a Linux distribution, or other simple stuff). I wager that it's a status thing.

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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RMS to me is really a curious case. He doesn't know how to install GNU+Linux and relies on others to do it. He doesn't know how to take a screenshot, and I remember reading other snippets from him about not knowing how to perform other basic tasks.

Most screenshots for these well known guys are quite boring. Coincidence? I think if you want to be good at something you need focus.

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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I think I see only one truly tiled layout. But yes, "terminals and editors" as the core developer workflow is extremely conserved over time. It dates from the mid 80's on Sun 2's and really hasn't changed much in four decades. It's probably not worth arguing whether this is the "best" when compared with vscode+LSP+Claude or whatever happens to be en vogue in the moment. But terminals and editors is sticky in a way th…

> But terminals and editors is sticky in a way that tells me it's probably close to optimal. Optimal for those users, at any rate. IMO using a terminal editor is so painful compared to a decent GUI (Sublime or even VSCode) that I have a difficult time understanding why anyone would choose such a tool. I just try to repeat the mantra of "everyone likes different things" and stop trying to understand something where I…

I guess once one gets used to it or anything it’s going to be more productive than the rest of the tools.

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Oh I didn't know Gnome was the official flavour now, last time I paid attention it was still KDE

I don't think it's ever been KDE.

It seems you're right, and now I'm wondering how I ever thought otherwise...

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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I don't think it's ever been KDE.

It seems you're right, and now I'm wondering how I ever thought otherwise...

No worries. I started using Fedora around the 4-5 timeframe and am still using it 40 editions later -- time flies. To my memory, it's always been GNOME-first.
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