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Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Post by quantumfissure »

Retr0id wrote: post #22
quantumfissure wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been well known for awhile now that it's his preferred setup. He seems to want as much stability as possible; while being as minimal as possible; with as little fuss to install and keep up to date as possible. Fedora meets those needs. Gnome is Fedora's main concentration.

Oh I didn't know Gnome was the official flavour now, last time I paid attention it was still KDE

It's been a long, long time. I think Red Hat 8/9 (from 2002-2003) had a default KDE build. Even in Fedora Core 1 Gnome was default.

Now, there's a separate build to download for KDE. It's likely because Gnome is default install for Red Hat Enterprise Workstation.

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Post by ekjhgkejhgk »

krackers wrote: post #29
ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you don't know what the reasons are. You're assuming he just wants to avoid graphical interfaces. That might not be the reason. In fact, I suspect that it has to do privacy, where lynx won't help you.

What is the privacy leak vector using lynx? It does not use JS, so I'm not sure how running wget on another server is better than lynx over ssh or mosh?

I don't know, we're both speculating. I'm just advising against "oh he could just as well do X" - you don't know.

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Post by venturecruelty »

Almondsetat wrote: post #24

RMS to me is really a curious case. He doesn't know how to install GNU+Linux and relies on others to do it. He doesn't know how to take a screenshot, and I remember reading other snippets from him about not knowing how to perform other basic tasks.

I don't know why people take him so seriously. He said some decent things about software freedom, and the rest of his entire existence seems to be him being deliberately obtuse and generally off-putting. I find it bizarre that there's this strange carve-out here for him, especially considering that he would absolutely loathe 99% of the software that gets discussed here.

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Post by arexxbifs »

ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #30

Hey this one over here [1] has a virtual desktop minimap on the top right. That person mentions fvwm which has this [2] website with screenshots, but I don't see the minimap there. Could someone help me find a reference to it? Update: Also on the bottom left here [3] [1] https://anders.unix.se/images/desktop_warren_toomey.gif [2] https://www.fvwm.org/ [3] https://anders.unix.se/images/desktop_jordan_hubbard.jpg

The one in the FVWM screenshot is FvwmPager. It comes with FVWM.

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Post by munificent »

venturecruelty wrote: post #33
Almondsetat wrote: post #24

RMS to me is really a curious case. He doesn't know how to install GNU+Linux and relies on others to do it. He doesn't know how to take a screenshot, and I remember reading other snippets from him about not knowing how to perform other basic tasks.

I don't know why people take him so seriously. He said some decent things about software freedom, and the rest of his entire existence seems to be him being deliberately obtuse and generally off-putting. I find it bizarre that there's this strange carve-out here for him, especially considering that he would absolutely loathe 99% of the software that gets discussed here.

> He said some decent things about software freedom

Well, he also created GCC and GNU Emacs.

Linux and the idea that developer tools should be free wouldn't exist without him.

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Post by ekjhgkejhgk »

arexxbifs wrote: post #34
ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #30

Hey this one over here [1] has a virtual desktop minimap on the top right. That person mentions fvwm which has this [2] website with screenshots, but I don't see the minimap there. Could someone help me find a reference to it? Update: Also on the bottom left here [3] [1] https://anders.unix.se/images/desktop_warren_toomey.gif [2] https://www.fvwm.org/ [3] https://anders.unix.se/images/desktop_jordan_hubbard.jpg

The one in the FVWM screenshot is FvwmPager. It comes with FVWM.

So I can't just use it by itself. E.g. I use i3wm, would those work together? Sorry if it's a stupid question.

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

ajross wrote: post #17
vzaliva wrote: post #2

common theme: tiled layout, terminals, minimum fancy decorations.

I think I see only one truly tiled layout. But yes, "terminals and editors" as the core developer workflow is extremely conserved over time. It dates from the mid 80's on Sun 2's and really hasn't changed much in four decades. It's probably not worth arguing whether this is the "best" when compared with vscode+LSP+Claude or whatever happens to be en vogue in the moment. But terminals and editors is sticky in a way th…

> But terminals and editors is sticky in a way that tells me it's probably close to optimal.

Optimal for those users, at any rate. IMO using a terminal editor is so painful compared to a decent GUI (Sublime or even VSCode) that I have a difficult time understanding why anyone would choose such a tool. I just try to repeat the mantra of "everyone likes different things" and stop trying to understand something where I likely never will get it.

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Post by DonHopkins »

ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #14
gentooflux wrote: post #3

RMS could have taken a photo of his screen, or done something cheeky like dump his screen to a padded ASCII text file and submitted that. Stick in the mud.

"I don't know how to make a screenshot" - what a fucking star.

I bet he knows how to make a Lisp Machine screenshot.

Re: Screenshots from developers: 2002 vs. 2015 (2015)

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Post by climb_stealth »

jasoneckert wrote: post #4

I echo this. My desktop has stayed virtually unchanged for decades, and in retrospect, it explains why I use the Sway tiling window manager today.

Hah, If you ask my partner, I've been looking at the same screen for years and years
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