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Have I been Flocked? – Check if your license plate is being watched

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Post by garciasn »

thih9 wrote: post #110
rescripting wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s trivial for law enforcement to track your movement with ALPR cameras. Information feeds into a single database, paid for by law enforcement agencies, and they just connect the dots. Ring camera footage requires law enforcement to get a warrant or for individuals to give consent to supply the footage. Now tell me which system makes it easier for a cop to stalk their ex.

All this is assuming one travels exclusively by car. Bikes, public transport, or walking are not as easy to track using this system. Then again, these modes of transport are less popular in the US; I guess such a surveillance system is extra effective in the US because of that.

Less popular because it’s not feasible for many. I live in MN. Biking 20mi to work when it’s -10F and in 6” of fresh snow on top of the 12” received so far this season just isn’t something that’s safe to do.

Please don’t make it seem like it’s a “popularity” thing; it’s a necessity thing.

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Post by xandrius »

lynx97 wrote: post #120
slickdifferent wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's mostly just a privacy issue. The idea that your every movement is being recorded by the government is Orwellian, especially when they try to hide its existence, lie about its capabilities, and you have no say in the matter (referencing NSA metadata monitoring). The average person thinks their ring camera is like their coffee maker, an individual piece of technology they own and control. If it were releas…

Did you somehow miss the introduction of mobile phones? Came out of a coma recently?

Because people started caring about something, we're going to mock them because they don't care about something else too?

Let people slowly get interested in protecting their privacy; as they say, better late than never!

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Post by JimmyBiscuit »

chzblck wrote: post #119
phyzome wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Oh no, my super secret movement data, which is now being made available to a large number of people" would be more accurate.

Oh no lots people can now see that I go to costco and publix.

Oh no youre one druggie friend (that you didnt know about having a drug addiction) that visits you sometimes got caught by the cops. Oh no they think youre their drug dealer since his license plate got recognized in your driveway a few times. Oh no they are kicking your door in with a search warrant and shoot your dog.

Re: Have I been Flocked? – Check if your license plate is being watched

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Post by blamazon »

iJohnDoe wrote: post #123
ourmandave wrote: post #102

Visit deflock.me/map to see if you live near a camera. https://deflock.me/map

Holy shit! I had no idea they were everywhere! Do they get permission or permit to install them?

Some are installed on private property, and supply data to the property owner. Some are installed on public property, and supply data to the government.

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Post by Spooky23 »

iso1631 wrote: post #92
ifh-hn wrote: post #59

Since the page is currently down and I have no idea what flocked means in the context of license plates, can I assume this is US specific?

ANPR cameras which the rest of the world (and apparently America) have had for decades have recently become big news in America, I believe because they're now being used for immigration purposes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_number-plate_recogni... I'm not sure why these are so bad but generally everyone loves things like Ring cameras which do the same thing but with people rather than vehicles. I suspect…

They’ve gotten cheaper and aggregated into nationwide networks. The older devices were expensive and in police car scenarios required pretty significant effort to install. The mobile flock just gets bolted to the dash.

In my city, most vehicular movement between neighborhoods and in/out of the city is logged. Your safety and civil liberties are dependent on agencies following and auditing their work rules, as the law didn’t anticipate this gives them a lot of discretion.

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Post by mananaysiempre »

thih9 wrote: post #110
rescripting wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s trivial for law enforcement to track your movement with ALPR cameras. Information feeds into a single database, paid for by law enforcement agencies, and they just connect the dots. Ring camera footage requires law enforcement to get a warrant or for individuals to give consent to supply the footage. Now tell me which system makes it easier for a cop to stalk their ex.

All this is assuming one travels exclusively by car. Bikes, public transport, or walking are not as easy to track using this system. Then again, these modes of transport are less popular in the US; I guess such a surveillance system is extra effective in the US because of that.

> public transport

Some European cities I remember having pervasive cameras in public transport a decade ago, ostensibly to prosecute vandals.

Re: Have I been Flocked? – Check if your license plate is being watched

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Post by Spooky23 »

rescripting wrote: post #98
iso1631 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ANPR cameras which the rest of the world (and apparently America) have had for decades have recently become big news in America, I believe because they're now being used for immigration purposes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_number-plate_recogni... I'm not sure why these are so bad but generally everyone loves things like Ring cameras which do the same thing but with people rather than vehicles. I suspect…

It’s trivial for law enforcement to track your movement with ALPR cameras. Information feeds into a single database, paid for by law enforcement agencies, and they just connect the dots. Ring camera footage requires law enforcement to get a warrant or for individuals to give consent to supply the footage. Now tell me which system makes it easier for a cop to stalk their ex.

Most ring users contribute their data and no warrant is required. If they don’t, the majority of people are cooperative.

Ring is problematic in some ways but doesn’t produce trivially searchable metadata.

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Post by 747fulloftapes »

kotaKat wrote: post #112
antonvs wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah thanks. Permanent rental it is then. :)

Pay a thousand bucks to a Montana agent to register you an pseudoanonymous LLC and put an old 90s Corolla into an LLC with a permanent registration plate (since anything 15+ years old can have a 'perm' plate on it. Then never think about it again.

While some people do get away with this, it carries some risk.

Without using an LLC, most every state requires you to register your vehicle where you live within 30-90 days with some exceptions (ie college students).

Even with the LLC, if you catch the attention of the state, I believe you might be risking being charged with tax evasion even if your goal was to protect your privacy. This is especially true if you can't prove the LLC to be a legitimate business venture.

Yeah, the Corolla won't be mistaken for a supercar, but many states have begun cracking down on residents with Montana plates such as Georgia, Ohio, and New York.

Also, insuring a car with out of state registration can be committing insurance fraud. Rates and fees are different between states due to different regulations. Further, depending on your policy, the insurer could deny claims because the car wasn't garaged in the state it was registered.

Really, if the privacy is of sufficient priority, the best solution is to just do things properly and move to rural Montana instead.

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