Can’t wait for the Flock Equifax/SouthParkWereSorry-esque breach announcement any day. I should start a betting pool w my friends.
No worries; after Flock gets breached, you'll be compensated with one free year of their services.
Have I been Flocked? – Check if your license plate is being watched
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Re: Have I been Flocked? – Check if your license plate is being watched
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
With no other identifying info, though, what can they do with a license plate number in isolation?
Some states, like Michigan, you can request owner information (including address) by a in-person SOS visit and $15 a plate. I've always thought this should be PII and shouldn't be allowed on reddit, for example, where PII is banned. Post a driver with plate in Michigan and you may have doxxed them.
> Some states, like Michigan, you can request owner information (including address)
If the car is leased, wouldn’t this just give leasing company details?
Re: Have I been Flocked? – Check if your license plate is being watched
#73I love these kinds of sites, since they're indistinguishable from honeypots. Sure, have my license plate and the information that I'm worried about being watched.
With no other identifying info, though, what can they do with a license plate number in isolation?
You just work backwards.
Here's what I would do working off just a single license plate number w OSINT.
I would pivot immediately into license plate databases that have been breached. For example, ParkMobile got popped in 2021 and the db has 20.9M license plates in it. prob have low success rate and iirc its pretty US centric. It has their full name, address, phone, email, all kinda data.
If you had paid fancy tools, like Lexis Nexis, you could plug it into there and easily find the owner.
There are also plenty of license plate look sites online where it will tell you the VIN and make/model details.
Idk, would just take digging and keep spidering out with all new info you find. Would yield a few hits eventually.
Re: Have I been Flocked? – Check if your license plate is being watched
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some states, like Michigan, you can request owner information (including address) by a in-person SOS visit and $15 a plate. I've always thought this should be PII and shouldn't be allowed on reddit, for example, where PII is banned. Post a driver with plate in Michigan and you may have doxxed them.
> Some states, like Michigan, you can request owner information (including address) If the car is leased, wouldn’t this just give leasing company details?
No, because while the leasing company may own the vehicle (known as the title holder) the vehicle will be registered in the lesser's name (known as the registered owner.)
In the case of a car purchased with financing like a loan, I believe the purchaser will be both the title and registered owner, but the lender will have a lien on the vehicle until the debt is paid off.
Re: Have I been Flocked? – Check if your license plate is being watched
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
With no other identifying info, though, what can they do with a license plate number in isolation?
You just work backwards. Here's what I would do working off just a single license plate number w OSINT. I would pivot immediately into license plate databases that have been breached. For example, ParkMobile got popped in 2021 and the db has 20.9M license plates in it. prob have low success rate and iirc its pretty US centric. It has their full name, address, phone, email, all kinda data. If you had paid fancy tools,…
Sure, and so what? You can look up people on Accurint without license plates. Depending on what kind of account you have, you can just search by a zip code, or a state with no further identifiers.
What would be the point of running a website collecting the license plate numbers of random visitors?
Re: Have I been Flocked? – Check if your license plate is being watched
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Some states, like Michigan, you can request owner information (including address) If the car is leased, wouldn’t this just give leasing company details?
No, because while the leasing company may own the vehicle (known as the title holder) the vehicle will be registered in the lesser's name (known as the registered owner.) In the case of a car purchased with financing like a loan, I believe the purchaser will be both the title and registered owner, but the lender will have a lien on the vehicle until the debt is paid off.
Ah thanks.
Permanent rental it is then. :)
Re: Have I been Flocked? – Check if your license plate is being watched
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
With no other identifying info, though, what can they do with a license plate number in isolation?
Some states, like Michigan, you can request owner information (including address) by a in-person SOS visit and $15 a plate. I've always thought this should be PII and shouldn't be allowed on reddit, for example, where PII is banned. Post a driver with plate in Michigan and you may have doxxed them.
This is intentionally not PII. You accept this burden when you decide to register a vehicle.
Keep in mind you don't need to have a license plate or to register a vehicle to drive it only on private property.
Your license plate is required to be readily visible so that it can be used to find out who the registered and, presumably, responsible party is.
Consider if you skip out on paying for parking at a garage, where you agreed to pay the fee by parking there in the first place. How is the business supposed to identify you to collect the money owed?
Otherwise, how else would automatic private toll roads know where to send the bill?
In Michigan, I believe the law only permits someone to request registration details for certain listed reasons. They don't verify that, but if you're caught submitting a fraudulent request, you can get in trouble - I don't know if it's a fine or crime. Probably depends on the circumstance.
PS Hello from Grand Rapids!
Re: Have I been Flocked? – Check if your license plate is being watched
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
> at the very least in my state (Illinois), it's not lawful for public bodies to disclose the license plate numbers read from ALPR cameras, so this data set is necessarily incomplete. They're not a public body, that was my point
They de facto are because they only place cameras in public places and on public land by contract with the government in one form or another; be it with a treasonous sheriff or a treasonous state executive and legislature. The public would not be talking about Flock if they had not worked to create a treasonous surveillance state and instead only did things like monitored truck movements in a logistics depot. The pri…
but thry're not literally the government and the relevant laws only affect the literal government.