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#12Remember how for decades Republican politicians would build grassroots support by talking about illegal immigration and employment, but then once they got into office they would do absolutely nothing about it? Think about it - have you finally persevered, "won", and gotten this policy position to the national stage? Or do you perhaps think the porous borders have finished serving their purpose (breaking unions and depressing labor in general), and now the corporate puppeteers are using the situation as an excuse to drive the next anti-Liberty con? Which explanation strokes your own ego? Which explanation fits the pattern of how this government actually operates?
Anybody who still thinks this is about immigration or the labor market is basically deluding themselves. The focus on illegal immigrants is merely being used as a pretext to justify an end-run around the Constitution, limited government, and basic human rights for all of us, period.
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#13anybody making excuses for this or pretending it's "business as normal" is evil.
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#14The people who planned this are evil. People who voted this are evil.
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#15I don't understand the point in detaining immigrants indefinitely. If they're in the country illegally, they must be put on the first flight to their home country. If they're not illegal, they must be freed. No one needs to be detained for more than 48 hours. Their humanitarian and medical requirements must be fully met. Civilized countries do not allow for indefinite detention.
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#16We got our very own US made Concentration camp: Mass detention without due process. Horrible surviving conditions without simple human rights. Corporal and lasting mental punishments. Made to intimidate and isolate a group of the population. Administered by state paramilitary contractors.
At least we can take solace in the fact this is totally unprecedented, a complete first for this country. ....oh wait.
A lot of people genuinely believe this is a first because they know nothing about the internment of Japanese Americans during WW2
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
At least we can take solace in the fact this is totally unprecedented, a complete first for this country. ....oh wait.
A lot of people genuinely believe this is a first because they know nothing about the internment of Japanese Americans during WW2
I knew about those internment camps -- because they were widely recognized afterward as a stain on our national character, something never to be repeated.
And I knew about the hieleras[1] and about Guantanamo.
And about so many other instances in history, from so many governments.
But I hoped our arc would not be toward more people treated this way, more proudly. I hoped we would stop running so eagerly toward the poison.
[1] https://www.hrw.org/report/2018/02/28/freezer/abusive-condit...
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#18The people who planned this are evil. People who voted this are evil.
No, not hardly.
The evil ones are the people that put out the welcome mat for great caravans of immigrants, then looked the other way or even threw them out of their community when they arrived in their backyard.
Such people were great humanitarians when the immigrants were staying close to the border. That changed quickly when the first bus arrived at Martha’s Vineyard.
The truly evil ones are the NIMBY crowd, when they were the welcoming crowd for somebody else’s back yard.
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#19The people who planned this are evil. People who voted this are evil.
No, not hardly. The evil ones are the people that put out the welcome mat for great caravans of immigrants, then looked the other way or even threw them out of their community when they arrived in their backyard. Such people were great humanitarians when the immigrants were staying close to the border. That changed quickly when the first bus arrived at Martha’s Vineyard. The truly evil ones are the NIMBY crowd, when…
> The evil ones are the people that
Do these people even exist?
Because we know who design, built and allowed this to happen
But your statement not only shifts the blame to some disconnected group, it absolves the only people with direct action from the guilt associated with it
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, not hardly. The evil ones are the people that put out the welcome mat for great caravans of immigrants, then looked the other way or even threw them out of their community when they arrived in their backyard. Such people were great humanitarians when the immigrants were staying close to the border. That changed quickly when the first bus arrived at Martha’s Vineyard. The truly evil ones are the NIMBY crowd, when…
> The evil ones are the people that Do these people even exist? Because we know who design, built and allowed this to happen But your statement not only shifts the blame to some disconnected group, it absolves the only people with direct action from the guilt associated with it
Of course they exist.
The immigrants that were sent to Martha’s Vineyard were immediately escorted elsewhere, under care of the National Guard. ( Money can do those sort of things. )
The desire to house immigrants often seems to apply to locales removed from the ‘good people’ espousing the immigration.
The truly evil ones are the hypocrites that want to seem virtuous, but don’t want to do any of the messy part themselves. The people who realistically say they don’t want to make the necessary sacrifices are only being honest, not evil. It seems very few people really want a great bunch of immigrants in their own back yard.
https://www.npr.org/2022/09/16/1123521033/marthas-vineyard-m...