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BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by Maxion »

qingcharles wrote: post #81
hnburnsy wrote: post #27

If you love cars or Top Gear, watch Mat Armstrong on YouTube. Mat restores crash damaged cars. The BS he has to go through because car manufacturers either won't sell him parts, won't sell him repair manuals, and unnecessarily cryptographically lock parts to the VIN is sometime heartbreaking. He has run across this pyro fuse issue many times. Sometimes he has even has to buy two cars just to repair one because of thi…

100%. I watch him literally just to see how much bullshit he has to go through to get modern cars running again against the wishes of the manufacturers. I get it, though. Cars are becoming like iPhones where the manufacturers are totally against you making any repairs at all. We've just grown used to cars being one of the most commonly repairable items we buy. At some point in the near future car ownership will proba…

The funny one is the Ferrari he is working on now where not even the Ferrari techs could figure out why the car wouldn't start, as they couldn't get the car to spit out codes and they didn't know why it didn't do that.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by rapsey »

consp wrote: post #148
rapsey wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol no way do BMW owners commonly know this. Most buy the car because it says BMW on it and they think that means quality.

I was more or less pointing to the expensive repairs needed in BMW as in you know it's locked down and you need expensive OEM stuff. Maybe that is covered under "quality is expensive" for normal people but when you buy a BMW you know the replacement parts bill is costing you an arm and a leg.

Yeah but they will wrongly justify for themselves that because BMW is quality, the repairs will not be so frequent.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by oskarkk »

nandomrumber wrote: post #138
mvkel wrote: post #130

This is what makes Teslas sustainable and other car cos, like Porsche, not. A battery pack for a Model 3 is $10K. So even if the whole car is only worth $20K, it's still worth keeping on the road. The Porsche Taycan battery pack is $70K. The moment you have any issue at all with it, the car will be considered totaled.

Is that $10k the list price, or have you actually seen a recent invoice from a mechanic for a Model 3 battery swap?

I've searched the internet and I found some articles and people talking about prices around $11-16k, most of the times including labor.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/new-battery-cost-for...

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/183if34/what_i...

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/comments/1blczt1/what_a...

https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/tesla-battery-replace...

https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/tesla-model-3-battery-re...

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by josephh »

tw04 wrote: post #146
mvkel wrote: post #130

This is what makes Teslas sustainable and other car cos, like Porsche, not. A battery pack for a Model 3 is $10K. So even if the whole car is only worth $20K, it's still worth keeping on the road. The Porsche Taycan battery pack is $70K. The moment you have any issue at all with it, the car will be considered totaled.

> The moment you have any issue at all with it, the car will be considered totaled. Huh? The taycan has an 8-year/100k mile battery warranty. How many 100k+ mile carreras do you see for sale on eBay?

The warranty isn't going to cover underside damages caused by going over a shallow bump

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by close04 »

chihuahua wrote: post #59
marssaxman wrote: post #15

> BMW has over-engineered the They have over-engineered the everything , because that is what BMW does. That is what they have been about for the last thirty years.

People get upset when a BMW is expensive to repair, but they're misunderstanding the sophisticated German engineering. You're not supposed to repair it. You're supposed to throw it away and buy a new one.

The sophisticated engineering works (or worked?) mostly fine if the piece of machinery is operated in the extremely narrow "just right" operating ranges the sophisticated engineer defined. To much dust in the air? One too many potholes? Not the premium brand oil? There goes your sophisticated machinery.

Times have changed and now the fuse replacement is not just a mater of over engineering, something someone put together thinking it's a technically perfect process. It became a revenue stream. Car designed also by accountants.

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Post by danw1979 »

consp wrote: post #123
Archelaos wrote: post #25

The article misses to explain why this is an EU problem, not just a BMW problem. Is the problem described caused by a specific EU regulation (which?) or is mentioning the EU just click bait? (Honest question.)

It is a BMW problem and the rest is clickbait. If you own a BMW you know all this as it has been the case for over decades. It's also not a eu thing as all manufacturers are locking things up, Ford and other US brands are trying as much as all other manufacturers. They just haven't reached BMW levels yet.

This 2022 BMW X1 my wife drives is the last BMW we will ever own. £395 for an oil change. £180 for brake fluid. £500 a year road tax.

Meanwhile my 2011 Prius continues to pass its MOT without fail, needs just the usual very affordable consumables, gets 50% higher MPG and actually has a larger cargo capacity than the X1.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by toast0 »

amluto wrote: post #135
eddieroger wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've felt similarly recently, and I think those days are fleeting if not gone. Ford recently talked about replatforming their entire range, which would include basic trucks at more reasonable prices, but there's not really a market for work trucks in the way there used to be, and they're gone in favor of the luxury ones with small beds. It is annoying. There is an interesting startup that I can't remember the name of…

> there's not really a market for work trucks in the way there used to be I find this to be a strange assertion. I’ve only asked a small number of contractors, but every one I’ve asked wished they could buy a smaller, lower, practical work truck with decent capacity.

There's no market for new small work trucks because nobody is willing to sell them. Not because nobody is willing to buy them.

People who need work trucks end up getting f-150 or similar, work vans, or buying used. There was a used car lot in my old neighborhood that specialized in work trucks. It would be 75% white single cab trucks, 20% white panel vans, and then 5% work trucks and vans in colors.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by cromka »

tw04 wrote: post #146
mvkel wrote: post #130

This is what makes Teslas sustainable and other car cos, like Porsche, not. A battery pack for a Model 3 is $10K. So even if the whole car is only worth $20K, it's still worth keeping on the road. The Porsche Taycan battery pack is $70K. The moment you have any issue at all with it, the car will be considered totaled.

> The moment you have any issue at all with it, the car will be considered totaled. Huh? The taycan has an 8-year/100k mile battery warranty. How many 100k+ mile carreras do you see for sale on eBay?

Carrera is not Taycan. Why would you equate both? Different cars with different targets.
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