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Re: Facebook confirms it is scanning your private messages to increase Likes

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To me, this is just standard privacy hyperbole that rears it's head every now and then. Anyone remember the headlines several years ago when "Google 'scans' your emails to serve targetted ads'? When was the last time you heard someone complain about that anymore? No one does, because it doesn't matter. Why should me sharing a link via a PM and my action be aggregated into an anonymous number worry me? How is the argu…

It's not the same thing. Let's say I'm a republicrat and I'm furiously sending private messages with links to democan sites showing my friends how evil I think they are. Except now I'm told every one of my links as just made those republicrat sites more liked an I'm helping make it look like they are more popular than they really are. Scanning emails to serve you ads does not leak information to the public indirectly…

Lesson learned: stop linking to evil content.

Re: Facebook confirms it is scanning your private messages to increase Likes

#62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I don't use facebook's messaging except on the extremely rare occasion that someone messages me when I have their web page open, I don't think sharing a URL with someone means I LIKE the content, there are many different reasons to share a URL.

HN Challenge: Make a URL shortener service which allows you to send a link to someone from within facebook - but it blocks all known FB domains and IPs from viewing said URL. It will only take the first click on it then expire. if all the first clicks are from FB - it would mean that FB is pre-emptively scanning and tracking all URL messages - even before users actually visit.

Why would Facebook need to visit your site to record that somebody liked it?

Re: Facebook confirms it is scanning your private messages to increase Likes

#63
post #42

To me, this is just standard privacy hyperbole that rears it's head every now and then. Anyone remember the headlines several years ago when "Google 'scans' your emails to serve targetted ads'? When was the last time you heard someone complain about that anymore? No one does, because it doesn't matter. Why should me sharing a link via a PM and my action be aggregated into an anonymous number worry me? How is the argu…

It's called a 'Private Message'. Seems to be misusing the word private. The gmail analogy is a little off, a closer one would be to compare to gtalk. Do google scan gtalk messages? Also what if the message is "This is so crap: " does that increase the like?

Wouldn't Facebook chat be the right comparison for gchat?

Re: Facebook confirms it is scanning your private messages to increase Likes

#64

The difference between Gmail and Facebook is that Gmail did not aim to track who you correspond with. Facebook is focussed on personally identifiable information. They have made it their business from Day 1 to know who your correspondents (friends) are _and_ to exploit that for profit. To my mind, this is not something Google set out to do. Although to compete with Facebook, I imagine they may have changed direction.…

Somehow gmail manages to auto suggest and complete email addresses for me. Sounds a lot like they tracking who I correspond with.

Re: Facebook confirms it is scanning your private messages to increase Likes

#65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not the same thing. Let's say I'm a republicrat and I'm furiously sending private messages with links to democan sites showing my friends how evil I think they are. Except now I'm told every one of my links as just made those republicrat sites more liked an I'm helping make it look like they are more popular than they really are. Scanning emails to serve you ads does not leak information to the public indirectly…

Lesson learned: stop linking to evil content.

Wonder if this will exacerbate the effect of everyone only seeing views that agree with theirs and decreasing exposure to different (/evil) perspectives.

Re: Facebook confirms it is scanning your private messages to increase Likes

#66

To me, this is just standard privacy hyperbole that rears it's head every now and then. Anyone remember the headlines several years ago when "Google 'scans' your emails to serve targetted ads'? When was the last time you heard someone complain about that anymore? No one does, because it doesn't matter. Why should me sharing a link via a PM and my action be aggregated into an anonymous number worry me? How is the argu…

It's not the same thing. Let's say I'm a republicrat and I'm furiously sending private messages with links to democan sites showing my friends how evil I think they are. Except now I'm told every one of my links as just made those republicrat sites more liked an I'm helping make it look like they are more popular than they really are. Scanning emails to serve you ads does not leak information to the public indirectly…

Is a "share" a subset of a "like"? Maybe they can have links count as shares but not likes.

Re: Facebook confirms it is scanning your private messages to increase Likes

#67

Doesn't sound like a big deal at all. There certainly aren't any privacy implications. When you send a link to a website via PM the 'like' counter on that page on that website will increase by one. Makes sense (not perfect though e.g. if you're directing a friend to something you don't like). It's not like the 'like' is then shared publicly to your friends not part of the private conversation.

They know who you are and what link you forwarded. The only thing keeping it out of the public eye is Facebook's discretion, and they have a track record of unpredictably disclosing more data about you without an opt-in.

So what? The only thing keeping my emails private is my email provider's discretion.

Re: Facebook confirms it is scanning your private messages to increase Likes

#68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN Challenge: Make a URL shortener service which allows you to send a link to someone from within facebook - but it blocks all known FB domains and IPs from viewing said URL. It will only take the first click on it then expire. if all the first clicks are from FB - it would mean that FB is pre-emptively scanning and tracking all URL messages - even before users actually visit.

Why would Facebook need to visit your site to record that somebody liked it?

You misunderstood me.

This would not be for likes - but for visits.

Re: Facebook confirms it is scanning your private messages to increase Likes

#69

The difference between Gmail and Facebook is that Gmail did not aim to track who you correspond with. Facebook is focussed on personally identifiable information. They have made it their business from Day 1 to know who your correspondents (friends) are _and_ to exploit that for profit. To my mind, this is not something Google set out to do. Although to compete with Facebook, I imagine they may have changed direction.…

Somehow gmail manages to auto suggest and complete email addresses for me. Sounds a lot like they tracking who I correspond with.

Yes. 2s/aim/initially aim/

I rarely use Javascript (certainly not for email) so I wouldn't know about all the latest Gmail "features". :)

What I was hinting at was a sort of evolutionary pressure on Google... to start using personally identifiable information. That pressure being Facebook as a perceived competitor.

Re: Facebook confirms it is scanning your private messages to increase Likes

#70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would Facebook need to visit your site to record that somebody liked it?

You misunderstood me. This would not be for likes - but for visits.

I guess I don't understand why you think Facebook is scanning/visiting links, nor why I should care about that.
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