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The Best Way to Find Aliens: Look for Their Solar Power Plants

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Re: The Best Way to Find Aliens: Look for Their Solar Power Plants

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post #5

The issue I have with Dyson Sphere's is in 1960 the idea of the singularity hadn't really been floated. I think it is far more likely that civilizations either die or upload.

You might find this idea of interest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrioshka_brain

Re: The Best Way to Find Aliens: Look for Their Solar Power Plants

#12
post #2

Let's be realistic. A civilization so advanced as to be able to capture the entire energy of a star, probably also has energy alternatives, and probably wouldn't want to attract the attention of lesser beings (like us) by trapping a star's output in a detectable way.

Why wouldn't they want to attract the attention of lesser beings?

Re: The Best Way to Find Aliens: Look for Their Solar Power Plants

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post #4

>A civilization that built a Dyson Sphere would have to go to great lengths to avoid detection, either by getting rid of its waste heat in some novel way, or by building massive radiators that give off heat so cool that it would be undetectable against the cosmic microwave background, the faint afterglow of the Big Bang. So if a civilization were to completely mask itself in the EM spectrum, the only way to detect th…

> Unfortunately, this hypothesis can't be tested until humanity gets to the same level.

This seems to be an unsupported assumption.

Re: The Best Way to Find Aliens: Look for Their Solar Power Plants

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post #2

Let's be realistic. A civilization so advanced as to be able to capture the entire energy of a star, probably also has energy alternatives, and probably wouldn't want to attract the attention of lesser beings (like us) by trapping a star's output in a detectable way.

I agree. From my limited knowledge of power sources, I understand that fusion and zero point energy would provide more easily accessible and vaster amounts of energy than one could build with a huge solar collector. Solar can only go to the maximum that the sun outputs in that direction. I would speculate that alien civilizations have found far more efficient means of power than a solar array.

Re: The Best Way to Find Aliens: Look for Their Solar Power Plants

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Solar power? I'm pretty sure they'd be using nuclear fusion.

You're not thinking very big, or in terribly deep timescales. There's not a lot of easy-to-access hydrogen in the solar system, and most of it is at the bottom of steep gravity wells. (The gas giants)

On the other hand, if you put your solar collector well inside Mercury's orbit, where the solar flux is dramatically higher, then you get plenty of power, without having to maintain and fuel a reactor.

Re: The Best Way to Find Aliens: Look for Their Solar Power Plants

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Larry Niven, "Bigger Than Worlds" (1974)

  ...assuming that the galaxy's most advanced civilizations are protoplasmic. But 
  beings whose chemistry is based on molten copper, say, would want a hotter 
  environment. They might have evolved faster, in temperatures where chemistry and 
  biochemistry would move far faster. There might be a lot more of them than of 
  us. And their red-hot Dyson spheres would look deceptively like red giant or 
  supergiant stars. One wonders.

Re: The Best Way to Find Aliens: Look for Their Solar Power Plants

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Larry Niven, "Bigger Than Worlds" (1974) ...assuming that the galaxy's most advanced civilizations are protoplasmic. But beings whose chemistry is based on molten copper, say, would want a hotter environment. They might have evolved faster, in temperatures where chemistry and biochemistry would move far faster. There might be a lot more of them than of us. And their red-hot Dyson spheres would look deceptively like r…

Speaking of Larry Niven, my impression after reading Ringworld (in addition to "holy shit that was good") was that Dyson Spheres were kind of a non-workable, and that a species who'd advanced far enough to actually make one could probably just colonize another system anyway.
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