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Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by mjanx123 »

0_____0 wrote: post #18
marssaxman wrote: post #15

> BMW has over-engineered the They have over-engineered the everything , because that is what BMW does. That is what they have been about for the last thirty years.

After reading the blog post I had the same thought. Doing an oil change on my F650GS motorcycle required removing the plastics, draining the oil from both the top and bottom of the motorcycle, removing a plate on the side of the engine after install the BMW specified oil redirection funnel, extracting the filter and reinstalling. The oil funnel had a legit BMW part number. Most of us either just made a mess or used a…

The proper BMW oil change procedure is to remove the engine and flip it upside down.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by soramimo »

gkanai wrote: post #61
samarthr1 wrote: post #6

This makes me feel that peak car was 2010 ish, when, when engines were powerful, cheap, and not too polluting, but also not overly complex. Spare parts were small, cheap, and easily accessible too (atleast for my toyota) I dread being forced to upgrade, not out of disdain for the environment, but the fact that I will spend more money, on a less reliable, less "mine" car, and more something big daddy government wants.

I would argue peak car was a little earlier, maybe the 2000-2010 decade. Fewer screens to fail, analog buttons and dials. Airbags, and ABS for safety but without the additional computers/screens.

Still got my E46!

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by p0w3n3d »

8note wrote: post #45
JSR_FDED wrote: post #2

This is exactly why I’m so uninterested in driving en EV. I usually word it as “I don’t want to drive a computer”, but the reality is that I don’t want to be on the wrong end of the power imbalance that comes from this amount of complexity.

EV and "driving a computer" are orthogonal chances are that you are driving an ICE computer, with all the problems driving a computer comes with. the EV itself is simpler than ICE is. fewer moving parts, and short supply chains once you actually have the thing. how much complexity goes into making and supplying your gas?

However when you advertise your car as eco friendly, you should be forbidden to create a non-repairable apple phone on wheels

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by inferiorhuman »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #99
inferiorhuman wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I can tell the Chinese are targeting the bottom of the market with cars that are essentially disposable. The ones to watch, IMO, are Hyundai/Kia. If they can sort out the reliability issues there's a lot of potential there. Honestly I'm cautiously optimistic about VW, especially after they've started backing away from those awful capacitive buttons.

From what I can tell the Chinese are targeting the bottom of the market with cars that are essentially disposable. What actual information or data leads you to believe this? All wheel drive, 375mi range and sub 4 second 0-60mph is disposable to you? I'm guessing your car is disposable by comparison. https://www.byd.com/us/car/han-ev

Disposable as in unrepairable or difficult to repair, not disposable as in slow. Honestly, aside from people making bad faith arguments who would use disposable to imply slow?

Do me a favor and stop responding to my comments. Thanks.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by Scoundreller »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #62
0_____0 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After reading the blog post I had the same thought. Doing an oil change on my F650GS motorcycle required removing the plastics, draining the oil from both the top and bottom of the motorcycle, removing a plate on the side of the engine after install the BMW specified oil redirection funnel, extracting the filter and reinstalling. The oil funnel had a legit BMW part number. Most of us either just made a mess or used a…

You win some, you lose some. Comparable process on my E46 and E39: Drain plug out (potentially flipping a little dust cover out of the way). Drain plug in. Stand up because everything else happens up top. Unscrew filter housing. Replace filter element. Replace filter housing. Fill.

E90 is the same but you’re supposed to loosen the filter because otherwise some vacuum holds in an extra 0.5L of oil.

I like the top mount oil filters, less mess.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by inferiorhuman »

conception wrote: post #71
inferiorhuman wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I can tell the Chinese are targeting the bottom of the market with cars that are essentially disposable. The ones to watch, IMO, are Hyundai/Kia. If they can sort out the reliability issues there's a lot of potential there. Honestly I'm cautiously optimistic about VW, especially after they've started backing away from those awful capacitive buttons.

BYD has the world’s fastest car now. I think they are targeting the market, not a market.

And 9 times out of 10 when BYD is brought up people are talking about their low priced cars like the Dolphin or Seagull, not their halo car.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by Scoundreller »

julieturner99 wrote: post #22
dmix wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also how they got a lot of things very early in the game like radars. They had adaptive cruise control in 1999 (similar to Mercedes).

Yet somehow adaptive cruise is a rarity on the BMWs out there, often requiring an option package that few dealers spec. (Though I think this may be finally starting to change with the 2025 model year).

Sadly, they’re close to 100% caught up to automatic transmissions in North America.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by eszed »

gkanai wrote: post #61
samarthr1 wrote: post #6

This makes me feel that peak car was 2010 ish, when, when engines were powerful, cheap, and not too polluting, but also not overly complex. Spare parts were small, cheap, and easily accessible too (atleast for my toyota) I dread being forced to upgrade, not out of disdain for the environment, but the fact that I will spend more money, on a less reliable, less "mine" car, and more something big daddy government wants.

I would argue peak car was a little earlier, maybe the 2000-2010 decade. Fewer screens to fail, analog buttons and dials. Airbags, and ABS for safety but without the additional computers/screens.

Entirely agree, although I think it varies by make / model. Roughly look for whenever a particular car got OBDII, which makes diagnostics way easier (and was kinda the perfect level of digitization, again in my opinion), through (as you say) whenever they started digitizing the cockpit and/or (which oddly - maybe? - coincide, in my experience) manufacturers stopped considering ease of maintenance in engineering decisions. In general late-1990s through 2005-2010. Cars since that decade (or so) are more sophisticated, at the expense of far, far shorter useful lifespans.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by usefulcat »

rconti wrote: post #72
aetherspawn wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teslas are dead simple, to the point where people are putting Tesla anything in virtually anything you can think of - classic cars, random sedans, you name it. There’s also that guy on YouTube who updated the electricals in his original Model S with electricals from a 10 years later Model 3 Highland just by buying spare parts, and it was pretty doable with fairly basic and limited tools/public information. So the com…

As they point out, the Tesla pyro fuse (at least on a Model S) is a cheap part. However, in some model years it's on top of the pack, which means you have to drop the pack to get to it. And, from memory, it's a 10 year lifespan part. However, on other Model S cars, it's easily accessible from the bottom. I wonder how we can make automakers make more repairable cars. Obviously, right-to-repair and allowing access to d…

> I wonder how we can make automakers make more repairable cars

Mandate longer warranty durations?

I mean, may not help with damage due to collisions, but there are plenty of other reasons why a car may need reparing..

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by Scoundreller »

gkanai wrote: post #61
samarthr1 wrote: post #6

This makes me feel that peak car was 2010 ish, when, when engines were powerful, cheap, and not too polluting, but also not overly complex. Spare parts were small, cheap, and easily accessible too (atleast for my toyota) I dread being forced to upgrade, not out of disdain for the environment, but the fact that I will spend more money, on a less reliable, less "mine" car, and more something big daddy government wants.

I would argue peak car was a little earlier, maybe the 2000-2010 decade. Fewer screens to fail, analog buttons and dials. Airbags, and ABS for safety but without the additional computers/screens.

Depending on the make, rust-protection wasn’t quite there yet.
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