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Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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inferiorhuman wrote: post #66
worik wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even BMW can't make something that is practical. Hyperbole, but essentially true The Japanese beat everybody when ICE ruled. Their cars were miles ahead on every measure except snob value. In the the of EV it will be the Chinese. Tesla has no hope of keeping up, they are already fallen behind on snob value, their cars have none now. I think the comment about BYD drivers preferring Tesla is out of date now. Ti e wil…

From what I can tell the Chinese are targeting the bottom of the market with cars that are essentially disposable. The ones to watch, IMO, are Hyundai/Kia. If they can sort out the reliability issues there's a lot of potential there. Honestly I'm cautiously optimistic about VW, especially after they've started backing away from those awful capacitive buttons.

BYD has the world’s fastest car now. I think they are targeting the market, not a market.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by rconti »

aetherspawn wrote: post #51
JSR_FDED wrote: post #2

This is exactly why I’m so uninterested in driving en EV. I usually word it as “I don’t want to drive a computer”, but the reality is that I don’t want to be on the wrong end of the power imbalance that comes from this amount of complexity.

Teslas are dead simple, to the point where people are putting Tesla anything in virtually anything you can think of - classic cars, random sedans, you name it. There’s also that guy on YouTube who updated the electricals in his original Model S with electricals from a 10 years later Model 3 Highland just by buying spare parts, and it was pretty doable with fairly basic and limited tools/public information. So the com…

As they point out, the Tesla pyro fuse (at least on a Model S) is a cheap part. However, in some model years it's on top of the pack, which means you have to drop the pack to get to it. And, from memory, it's a 10 year lifespan part. However, on other Model S cars, it's easily accessible from the bottom.

I wonder how we can make automakers make more repairable cars. Obviously, right-to-repair and allowing access to documentation and tools for independent shops is a a necessary but not sufficient step.

I shudder to think at some of the other possibilities -- heavy-handed attempts to regulate how much specific repairs can cost.

Maybe mandating the sale of manufacturer-provided extended warranties for no more than x% the cost of the vehicle purchase price would be an incentive to keep repair cost in check?

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by zdragnar »

mannykannot wrote: post #20
samarthr1 wrote: post #6

This makes me feel that peak car was 2010 ish, when, when engines were powerful, cheap, and not too polluting, but also not overly complex. Spare parts were small, cheap, and easily accessible too (atleast for my toyota) I dread being forced to upgrade, not out of disdain for the environment, but the fact that I will spend more money, on a less reliable, less "mine" car, and more something big daddy government wants.

I have never owned or wanted a pickup, but now I'm wondering about getting a basic one (if that's still an option.) It is annoying and depressing.

CAFE standards have made that pretty hard. The trucks got bigger to hold more complex engine setups to boost mileage, coinciding with preferences shifting to super crew cabs because buying a new truck is basically the same price as buying a luxury vehicle.

I did own a 1994 Dodge ram up until a few years ago, but it needed new brake lines and there was so much rust coming off the frame I honestly wasn't sure I trusted it anymore, and the cost of the brake lines was probably more than it was worth at that point.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by TacticalCoder »

kmlx wrote: post #56
TeeWEE wrote: post #36

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The BMW neue klasse is far superior to the latest Teslas. Both in software hardware and handing. https://youtu.be/P-H-GJaGiUg?si=eq8YWy8gyJ5YS99X I think it even surpasses Chinese brands.

i think they look absolutely horrible both inside and out. but, of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

They're indeed fuglier than fugly. I've had many BMWs but that BMX iX3 looks really bad. Don't know what they were smoking.

Wife's daily driver is a 4-series "Gran Coupé" (weird term to say it's got 4-doors and not two like the "coupé" but... "Gran" is not a french word: the french word would be "grand" so I think they somehow fucked up [1]) with the B48 ICE engine. Sweet car and really good looking.

But yeah: to each his own bad taste.

[1] not as bad as Audi and its "e-tron" where "etron", literally, means "turd" in french.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by radium3d »

rconti wrote: post #72
aetherspawn wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teslas are dead simple, to the point where people are putting Tesla anything in virtually anything you can think of - classic cars, random sedans, you name it. There’s also that guy on YouTube who updated the electricals in his original Model S with electricals from a 10 years later Model 3 Highland just by buying spare parts, and it was pretty doable with fairly basic and limited tools/public information. So the com…

As they point out, the Tesla pyro fuse (at least on a Model S) is a cheap part. However, in some model years it's on top of the pack, which means you have to drop the pack to get to it. And, from memory, it's a 10 year lifespan part. However, on other Model S cars, it's easily accessible from the bottom. I wonder how we can make automakers make more repairable cars. Obviously, right-to-repair and allowing access to d…

The majority of their cars (Y/3 models) have the penthouse (top) of battery pack super easily accessible from under the back seat, no need to drop a pack.

Not to mention Tesla has the best service mode system in their computer of any brand of all time. They also have the best free to owners assembly/disassembly manuals in the service portal https://service.tesla.com/. They have taken self-service literally to the next level compared to anything I've ever driven ICE, Hybrid or EV and I've owned all of them.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by mensetmanusman »

rconti wrote: post #72
aetherspawn wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teslas are dead simple, to the point where people are putting Tesla anything in virtually anything you can think of - classic cars, random sedans, you name it. There’s also that guy on YouTube who updated the electricals in his original Model S with electricals from a 10 years later Model 3 Highland just by buying spare parts, and it was pretty doable with fairly basic and limited tools/public information. So the com…

As they point out, the Tesla pyro fuse (at least on a Model S) is a cheap part. However, in some model years it's on top of the pack, which means you have to drop the pack to get to it. And, from memory, it's a 10 year lifespan part. However, on other Model S cars, it's easily accessible from the bottom. I wonder how we can make automakers make more repairable cars. Obviously, right-to-repair and allowing access to d…

“ I wonder how we can make automakers make more repairable cars.”

This is what insurance companies are supposed to do if they price things properly.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by cruano »

jfoster wrote: post #8

I think it continues to be under-appreciated how much of a lead Tesla still has in EVs. Even BMW can't make something that is practical. First people said "competition is coming" for about a decade. Now the competition has finally half arrived, but it's still so far behind. Perhaps the closest is BYD, but most BYD drivers would prefer to be driving a Tesla.

BYD targets a different market. Tesla should compete with the likes of Polestar, Rivian, maybe Porsche if they dare but I'd take any of those before a Tesla any day of the week.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by OptionOfT »

samarthr1 wrote: post #6

This makes me feel that peak car was 2010 ish, when, when engines were powerful, cheap, and not too polluting, but also not overly complex. Spare parts were small, cheap, and easily accessible too (atleast for my toyota) I dread being forced to upgrade, not out of disdain for the environment, but the fact that I will spend more money, on a less reliable, less "mine" car, and more something big daddy government wants.

The sad part is that the plastics from around that time are starting to fail.

That E92 M3 LCI is now a 14 year old car.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by frankchn »

moogly wrote: post #63
fragmede wrote: post #46

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If all you care about is looks, that is. Get out of any other car and you forget you can't just walk away from it and it'll shut itself off and lock the doors. I've had my Tesla driving friends drive my ICE car, and then not even turn off the engine when they go into the store because you don't need to do that with a Tesla.

> Get out of any other car and you forget you can't just walk away from it and it'll shut itself off and lock the doors. A lot of cars have that. My (gulp) BMW EV for instance. Newer BMW ICE cars too. But sure, some brands have had problems getting it to work for some dumb reason, recently, even the keyless entry part, which really has been a solved problem since at least the 2010s.

> A lot of cars have that. My (gulp) BMW EV for instance. Newer BMW ICE cars too.

Yeah, the recent BMWs (both EV and ICEVs) have Apple/Android CarKey UWB support, which is much more reliable and precise than Bluetooth.

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