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Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by scratchyone »

smcg wrote: post #210
bottlepalm wrote: post #131

Having a mental disability is chic for kids right now. You won't find a discord or other online profile of a kid with less than three mental disabilities listed. For better or worse, they use them to connect with one another, have something in common. It doesn't help either that these disabilities are super easy to misdiagnose with dishonest patients which means lots of real drugs are flowing to children with fake pr…

haha yeah im just queer for clout I love being popular

yeah there's totally a huge social benefit to being queer right now. definitely.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by shetaye »

aaronbwebber wrote: post #256
lostmsu wrote: post #85

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I suppose cheating to get housing benefits is less of a dumpster fuck vs cheating to get ahead of other people in education.

It means that the action we should take in response to this article is "building more dorms with singles" rather than "we need to rethink the way that we are making accommodations for disabilities in educational contexts". That seems like an important distinction, and makes the rest of the article (which focuses on educational accommodations) look mistaken.

True, but unfortunately the response from Stanford has been to introduce triple and quad rooms ;)

This is not entirely their fault. Stanford is subject to Santa Clara County building regulations, and those tend not to be friendly to large university developments (or any large developments for that matter).

I vaguely recall the recent Escondido Graduate Village Residences (EVGR) construction taking a while to get through the regulatory pipeline.

The true underlying issue here is just that there is not enough quality housing for the number of students Stanford admits.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by throwaway314155 »

clusterhacks wrote: post #348
throwaway314155 wrote: post #260

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Realistically there has to be _some_ time limit. No one is going to sit in a room for 10 hours while you finish your test.

Why? How strong is the argument that a student completing a test in 1 hour with the same score as a student who took 10 hours that the first student performed "better" or had a greater understanding of the material?

> Why?

Teachers have lives, including needing to eat and sleep.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by phainopepla2 »

antupis wrote: post #259
vl wrote: post #154

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Have you tried Adderall? It gives extreme competitive edge. Just to get legal and easy access to performance-enhancing drugs in elite educational (aka competitive) setting it makes sense to get "disability". And given how loosely these conditions are defined, it's not even cheating in the true sense of the word.

If you have ADHD, for neurotypical people it might feel that you are performing better but results will not improve https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/smart-drugs-can-decrease...

It's a small study and the "knapsack task" probably does not generalize to writing a paper or coding or something. Far from dispositive.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by yAak »

Scubabear68 wrote: post #326
windows_hater_7 wrote: post #113

I go to one of those elite universities now, and I get academic accommodations. I think some of the increase is truly from greater awareness about disabilities among teachers and parents. My mom was a teacher, and she was the one who first suspected that I had dyslexia. I repeated kindergarten, and I was privileged that my parents were able to afford external educational psychology testing. Socioeconomic status is a…

So you are a long way from Kindergarten to an elite university. I mention this because it is odd to me that you picked your 4 to 5 year old self to validate why you are getting accommodations in your teens/twenties at a self-described elite university. My own kids have some issues and varying levels of accommodations, but those have evolved and lessened over time. As you would hope they would! You seem to imply your…

Dyslexia isn’t curable. It doesn’t magically go away with help, techniques, or accommodations —- it just becomes more manageable.

He/she probably wouldn’t have gotten into an elite university without that help through childhood.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by [deleted] »

hibikir wrote: post #58

I think there's a non-malicious explanation for a percentage of this. As I grew up in the 80s, there were two kinds of gifted kids in school: The kind that would ace everything anyway, and the kind that, for a variety of reasons, lacked the regulation abilities to manage the school setting well, with the slow classes and such. A lot of very smart people just failed academically, because the system didn't work for the…

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Post by reliabilityguy »

nextos wrote: post #265
MangoToupe wrote: post #107

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I suppose stanford does optimize for cheating, but this still seems excessive

I reviewed incoming applications during one Oxbridge academic application cycle. I raised some serious concerns, nobody listened, and therefore I refuse to take part on that any longer. Basically, lots of students are pretending to be disabled to enhance their chances with applications that are not particularly outstanding, taking spots from truly disabled students. All it takes is a lack of principles, exaggerating…

> The admissions system is not effectively dealing with this type of fraud.

If I was the university I would prefer these types of disabled students. Why not:

1. They are not really disabled, so I do not have to spend a lot of many for real accommodations

2. No need to deal with a higher chance (I’m guessing here) of academic difficulties

3. Basically, I hit disability metric without paying any cost!

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by ryuhhnn »

paulpauper wrote: post #360
ryuhhnn wrote: post #93

Why is it so hard to believe that disabled people can be accepted into "elite" universities? I think the article author, and many of the commenters here, are conflating "normalised behaviours" with "intelligence". As a society we have normalised pushing students into being able to complete assessments within an allotted time frame, even though the time it takes to finish an assessment isn't a perfect measure of one's…

But this does not explain the recent surge of disabilities. No one says disabled people cannot attend elite universities.

> No one says disabled people cannot attend elite universities

The author spent the byline and first half of the article trying to explain that these universities wouldn't accept people with disabilities because they're just too elite and highly-selective. The recent surge of disabilities is actually perfectly explained, even in the article. The diagnostic criteria for disabilities has changed over time, becoming more "relaxed" as some would put it. If the diagnostic criteria expands to include more people, we are going to see higher rates of disability.

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Post by bottlepalm »

scratchyone wrote: post #381
smcg wrote: post #210

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haha yeah im just queer for clout I love being popular

yeah there's totally a huge social benefit to being queer right now. definitely.

Are you being sarcastic because in kid social circles there 100% is. Play any games on Steam and/or Quest and it's very apparent.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by only-one1701 »

bad_haircut72 wrote: post #375
only-one1701 wrote: post #358

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I’m not sure what you mean by “interesting”, can you please explain, ideally by citing a few reputable dictionaries?

I dont know why you're getting downvoted, I see this all the time and its infuriating. Its a deflection tactic to burn peoples time.

I think you answered your own question as to why this is getting downvoted lol
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