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Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Wifey works at uni. From all her stories, sounds like a strategy I'd adopt to boost my GPA, if it existed back then. Of course, there are also true cases where it takes 4 hours to complete a 30-minute test. All it does is kill the GPA signal completely. One amongst many before, pure noise now. [edit: not denying people need it. but it appears like folks that don't also use it]

If someone needs 4 hours to complete a 30-minute test they should be in a school for the disabled.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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I suppose so, but nonetheless it still likely harms the rest of the students who are honest by raising the price of housing for all students.

The diploma or credentials should be marked with the conditions of admission. That would prevent abuse from those who don't or shouldn't qualify for special admission conditions.

...and punish those who genuinely develop or suffer from some new condition after admittal.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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I go to one of those elite universities now, and I get academic accommodations. I think some of the increase is truly from greater awareness about disabilities among teachers and parents. My mom was a teacher, and she was the one who first suspected that I had dyslexia. I repeated kindergarten, and I was privileged that my parents were able to afford external educational psychology testing. Socioeconomic status is a…

> and I get academic accommodations What does this mean, exactly?

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Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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The fact that this shows higher numbers than the community college kids ("...have far lower rates of disabled students...") is interesting too. Yeah, one can argue that Stanford maybe is just so accommodating that it just serves as a great attractor for people with disability. I somehow doubt that. I wouldn't be surprised that this is part of some coaching program too. It seems too random for folks to just "stumble"…

Or that community college largely serves a different class of students who have worse access to mental health resources than students who attend Stanford do. The articles quoting of flippant professors and inability to see such potential obvious issues really shines a negative light on its publication.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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The Reason article leaves out some helpful context from the original Atlantic article: > In 2013, the American Psychiatric Association expanded the definition of ADHD. Previously, the threshold for diagnosis had been “clear evidence of clinically significant impairment.” After the release of the DSM‑5, the symptoms needed only to “interfere with, or reduce the quality” of, academic functioning. So it's dramatically e…

Have you gotten one of these notes yourself? It's not trivial. It's a huge pain in the ass, and everyone along the path is saying, "I don't believe you".

I have, and my experience does not match yours. It was extremely trivial and was little more than (1) booking a psych appointment, (2) filling out an intake ADHD questionnaire at home (which can easily be filled out to give whatever diagnosis you'd desire), (3) meeting the psych & getting a formal diagnosis, and (4) picking up my Rx from the pharmacy.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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I go to one of those elite universities now, and I get academic accommodations. I think some of the increase is truly from greater awareness about disabilities among teachers and parents. My mom was a teacher, and she was the one who first suspected that I had dyslexia. I repeated kindergarten, and I was privileged that my parents were able to afford external educational psychology testing. Socioeconomic status is a…

> and I get academic accommodations What does this mean, exactly?

Typically means more time to take tests than the standard allotment, but could mean other things- a digital version with a screen reader that speaks the questions to you, or something else specific to your disability.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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I think there's a non-malicious explanation for a percentage of this. As I grew up in the 80s, there were two kinds of gifted kids in school: The kind that would ace everything anyway, and the kind that, for a variety of reasons, lacked the regulation abilities to manage the school setting well, with the slow classes and such. A lot of very smart people just failed academically, because the system didn't work for the…

> The percentages of workers that are neurodivergent is much higher than usual, but it's not as if tech hires them out of compassion, but because there's a big cadre or neurodivergent people that are just in the line where they are very productive workers anyway.

There are certainly way more neurodivergent people in tech. But 38%?? I don't think so. And I think you're conflating HN nerdery with actual medical issues that mean you need extra time on tests. I'd believe that e.g. 30% of HN are pretty weird nerds, but there's absolutely no way that means they all need extra time on tests.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Regarding Stanford specifically, I did not see the number broken down by academic or residential disability (in the underlying Atlantic article). This is relevant, because > Some students get approved for housing accommodations, including single rooms and emotional-support animals. buries the lede, at least for Stanford. It is incredibly commonplace for students to "get an OAE" (Office of Accessible Education) exclus…

Just training for working at McKinsey after graduation

Navigating Bureaucracy 101

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Why can't everyone get extra time?

That's a much bigger meta question, like what's even the point of putting timing constraints on any test? Logistically, my kid has to go a testing center at the school during his free period and/or lunch periods for his extra time. I can imagine that if everyone got extra time, it would be a logistical nightmare. But I think the reality is that our educational system had just decided that faster is better and that sp…

Because there must be some time limit, particularly for an in-person exam which win probably become even more common thanks to LLMs and such.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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I suppose cheating to get housing benefits is less of a dumpster fuck vs cheating to get ahead of other people in education.

It means that the action we should take in response to this article is "building more dorms with singles" rather than "we need to rethink the way that we are making accommodations for disabilities in educational contexts". That seems like an important distinction, and makes the rest of the article (which focuses on educational accommodations) look mistaken.

I worked in residential life while in college and can tell you that placing freshmen in singles is a horrible idea. It leads to isolation and lets mental health issues fester. Some need it but you do not want to place anyone who doesn’t into a room alone especially in their first year.
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