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It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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I actually think that people should rather use EcmaScript name instead of JavaScript, because it's a way better name (much less confusing, given that this lang doesn't have anything to do with Java anyway). I wish Oracle started suing people to force everyone to use the better name.

Our trade has a solid tradition of terrible names for programming languages. They are ALL bad. The whole Ekmuhscrip.js schism fits perfectly. Yes, this is our circus, and these are our monkeys.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

#22

I actually think that people should rather use EcmaScript name instead of JavaScript, because it's a way better name (much less confusing, given that this lang doesn't have anything to do with Java anyway). I wish Oracle started suing people to force everyone to use the better name.

But everyone already calls it JS. I think the transition would have been so much easier if the official name started with "J".

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

#23
Imagine if this effort was spent on solving more pressing problems, like the recent yet another security kerfuffle, or the overloaded maintainers whom everyone depends on but reliably fails to support.

Call the language JS, everyone already understands it, it's used on all the logos because it's short, we already another popular language with a very compact name (Go, which is harder to look up without mangling its name, and it's still doing fine).

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

#24

I actually think that people should rather use EcmaScript name instead of JavaScript, because it's a way better name (much less confusing, given that this lang doesn't have anything to do with Java anyway). I wish Oracle started suing people to force everyone to use the better name.

The irony is I belive the JavaScript creator wtnted to latch to Java's popularity to called it JavaScript and now both Java and JavaScript are owned by Oracle and they want the name but not want to change is to ECMAScript, it's real official name.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

#25

I actually think that people should rather use EcmaScript name instead of JavaScript, because it's a way better name (much less confusing, given that this lang doesn't have anything to do with Java anyway). I wish Oracle started suing people to force everyone to use the better name.

But everyone already calls it JS. I think the transition would have been so much easier if the official name started with "J".

Just rename it to "JS" (jay-ess) and forget about having the letters stand for anything.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

#26

Imagine if this effort was spent on solving more pressing problems, like the recent yet another security kerfuffle, or the overloaded maintainers whom everyone depends on but reliably fails to support. Call the language JS, everyone already understands it, it's used on all the logos because it's short, we already another popular language with a very compact name (Go, which is harder to look up without mangling its na…

exactly, just a whole lot of haters got nothing better to do.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Apart from anything else, ECMAScript is a mouthful! Eeh-cee-emm-ay-script. Five syllables.

And it sounds like a skin condition.

Flaky when under pressure? Irritating results? Sites look and feel better without it?

Sounds appropriate to me.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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That boat sailed soooo many years ago tho. Oracle has no business claiming javascript as a trademark.

Oracle is in the business of bullying others using their big legal dept. We all know this. > Oracle has no business claiming javascript as a trademark. You think so. That's okay. But ultimately it is up to a judge to decide. Right? I agree with the EcmaScript. Just ditch the stupid name. Get all the petition signers to agree an move on. Fuck Oracle. Fuck JavaScript (it's nothing like Java anyway).

> But ultimately it is up to a judge to decide. Right?

I think we are getting a rude awakening about what is legal versus what is actually right are not always the same thing. There are some the horrible, horrible things here and the laws need updating, as opposed to us simply saying this is for a judge to decide and there is nothing else we can do.

I am ok with ditching the JavaScript name. I understand this cuts the problem entirely. However, there are other problems we have that we can't bypass so easily.

We need copyright terms to be much reduced. We need CFAA fully repealed and not replaced by anything. We need to abolish software patents. There is a lot we need to do that will likely take a century to accomplish and that's likely being too optimistic.

What we can't do is leave everything up to the judges because clearly even if we get a favorable ruling today, the precedent can be removed by another stroke of a pen.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

#30

I actually think that people should rather use EcmaScript name instead of JavaScript, because it's a way better name (much less confusing, given that this lang doesn't have anything to do with Java anyway). I wish Oracle started suing people to force everyone to use the better name.

But everyone already calls it JS. I think the transition would have been so much easier if the official name started with "J".

Like JunoScript or JangoScript? JavaScript is just very outdated ECMAScript.
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