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Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Does your comparison include training, data center building, GPUs productions, etc or solely inference? (genuine question I don't know the total cost for e.g. Sora2, only inference which AFAIK is significant yet pale in comparison to everything upstream)

No, that's one reason why there's at least an order of magnitude wiggle room there. I just took the first number for J/Token I found on arxiv from 2025. Choosing the exact model and hardware it runs on is also making a large difference (probably larger than your one-time upfront costs, since those are needed only once and spread out across years of inference). My point is mobility, especially commercial flight, is ex…

> right now it really is only a drop in the ocean of energy and water we're wasting anyways.

That's not what I heard. Maybe it was in 2024 but now data centers have their own categories in energy consumption whereas until now it was "others". I think we need to update our collective understanding in terms of actual energy consumed. It was all fun & games until recently and slop was kind of harmless consequence ecologically speaking but from what I can tell in terms of energy, water, etc it is not negligible anymore.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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People hate what the corporations want AI to be and people hate when AI is used the way corporations seem to think it should be used, because the executives at these companies have no taste and no vision for the future of being human. And that is what people think of when they hear “AI”. I still think there’s a third path, one that makes people’s lives better with thoughtful, respectful, and human-first use of AI. Bu…

> I still think there’s a third path, one that makes people’s lives better with thoughtful, respectful, and human-first use of AI. But for some reason there aren’t many people working on that.

I am thinking about this third path a lot, but the reality is that it wouldn't make AI more interesting than any other tool humans use to go about their daily lives. Does one get this obsessed about screwdrivers?

The issue is that a human-first world where technology is subservient to our needs is very incompatible with our current society. The AI hype is part and parcel of the capitalistic mode of production where humans are ultimately judged for their ability to produce more commodities; the goal has always been to improve productivity to make more for cheaper — this time, the quest for efficiency has found a viable replacement for many humans activities.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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People who've spent their life perfecting a craft are exactly the people you'd expect would be most negative about something genuinely disrupting that craft. There is significant precedent for this. It's happened repeatedly in history. Really smart, talented people routinely and in fact quite predictably resist technology that disrupts their craft, often even at great personal cost within their own lifetime.

Yes you get it. Obviously “writing code” will die. It will hold on in legacy systems that need bespoke maintenance, like COBOL systems have today. There will be artisanal coders, like there are artisanal blacksmiths, who do it the old fashioned way, and we will smile and encourage them. Within 20 years, writing code syntax will be like writing assembly: something they make you do in school, something that your dad re…

But Claude cannot code at all, it's gonna shit the bed and it learns only on human coders to be able to even know an example is a solution rather than a malware...

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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> Engineers don't try because they think they can't. This article assumes that AI is the centre of the universe, failing to understand that that assumption is exactly what's causing the attitude they're pointing to. There's a dichotomy in the software world between real products (which have customers and use cases and make money by giving people things they need) and hype products (which exist to get investors excite…

the list of people who write code, use high quality LLM agents (not chatbots) like Claude, and report not just having success with the tools but watching the tools change how they think about programming, continues to grow. The sudden appearance of LLMs has had a really destabilizing effect on everything, and a vast portion of what LLMs can do and/or are being used for runs from intellectually stifling (using LLMs to…

> the list of people who write code, use high quality LLM agents (not chatbots) like Claude, and report not just having success with the tools but watching the tools change how they think about programming, continues to grow.

My company is basically writing blank cheques for "AI" (aka LLM, I hate the way we've poisoned AI as a term))tooling so that people can use any and all tooling they want and see what works and doesn't. This is a company with ~1500ish engineers, ranging from hardware engineers building POS devices to the junior frontenders building out our simplest UIs. There's also a whole lot more people who aren't technical, and they're also encouraged to use any and all AI tooling they can.

Despite the entire company trying to figure out how to use these effectively precisely because we're trying to look at things objectively and separate out the hype from the reality, the only people I've seen with any kind of praise so far (and this has been going on since the early ChatGPT days) have been people in Marketing and Sales, because for them it doesn't matter if the AI hallucinates some pure bullshit since that's 90% of their job anyway.

We have spent god knows how much time and resources trying to get these tools doing anything more useful than simple demos that get thrown out immediately, and it's just not there. No one is pushing 100x the code or features they were before, projects aren't finishing any faster than they were before, and nobody even bothers turning on the meeting transcription tools either anymore because more often than not it'll interpret things said in the meeting just plain wrong or even make up entire discussion points that were never had.

Just recently, like last week recently, we had some idiotic PR review bot from coderabbit or some other such company be activated. I've never seen so many people complain all at once on Slack, there was a thread with hundreds of individuals all saying how garbage it was and how much it was distracting from reviews. I didn't see a single person say they liked the tool, not 1 single person had anything good to say about it.

So as far as I'm concerned, it's just a MASSIVE fucking hype bubble that will ultimately spawn some tooling that is sorta useful for generating unimportant scripts, but little else.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Many people also program and have no idea what a giant codebase looks like. I know I don't. I have never been paid to write anything beyond a short script. I actually can't even picture what a professional software engineer actually works on day to day. From my perspective, it is completely mind blowing to write my own audio synth in python with Librosa. A library I didn't know existed before LLMs and now I have a fu…

I work on a stock market trading system in a big bank, in Hong Kong. The code is split between a backend in Java (no GC allowed during trading) and C++ (for algos), a frontend in C# (as complex as the backend, used by 200 traders), and a "new" frontend in Javascript in infinite migration. Most of the code was made before 2008 but that was the cvs to svn switch so we lost history before that. We have employees dating…

There’s a reason why it’s so much better at writing JavaScript than HFT C++.

The latter codebase doesn’t tend to be in github repos as much.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Someone wrote on HN the (IMO) main reason why people do not accept AI. AI is about centralisation of power So basically, only a few companies that hold on the large models will have all the knowledge required to do things, and will lend you your computer collecting monthly fees. Also see https://be-clippy.com/ for more arguments (like Adobe moving to cloud to teach their model on your work). For me AI is just a natur…

> This enhances my work. However other people seem to feel threatened.

I wish people would stop spreading this as if it were the main reason. It’s a weak argument and disconnected from reality, like those people who think the only ones who dislike cryptocurrencies are the ones who didn’t become rich from it.

There are plenty of reasons to be against the current crop of AI that have nothing to do with employment. The threat to the environment, the consolidation of resources by the ones at the top, the spread of misinformation and lies, the acceleration of mass surveillance, the decay of critical thinking, the decrease in quality of life (e.g. people who live next to noisy data centres)… Not everything is about jobs and money, the world is bigger than that.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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I am not in Seattle. I do work in AI but have shifted more towards infrastructure. I feel fatigued by AI. To be more precise, this fatigue includes several factors. The first one is that a lot of people around me get excited by events in the AI world that I find distracting. These might be new FOSS library releases, news announcements from the big players, new models, new papers. As one person, I can only work on 2-3…

I get excited by new model releases, try it, switch it to default if I feel it's better, and then I move on. I don't understand why any professional SWE should engage in weird cultish behavior about these models, it's a better mousetrap as far as I'm concerned

its just the old pc vs mac cultism. nobody who actually has work to do cares. much like authors obsessed with typewriters, transport companies with auto brands, etc

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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I am not in Seattle. I do work in AI but have shifted more towards infrastructure. I feel fatigued by AI. To be more precise, this fatigue includes several factors. The first one is that a lot of people around me get excited by events in the AI world that I find distracting. These might be new FOSS library releases, news announcements from the big players, new models, new papers. As one person, I can only work on 2-3…

> The fundamentals actually haven't changed that much in the last 3 years

Even said fundamentals don't have much in the way to foundations. It's just brute forcing your way using a O(n^3) algorithm using a lot of data and compute.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Seattle is the type of economy that is heavily threatened by AI. Desk jobs that Claude basically already knows how to do, and just needs to be integrated into the existing systems to have impact.

Most people in Seattle "tech" are middle management with no discernible skills other than organizational deckchair arrangement. It is a place to optimize for work-life balance, and not take risk - this is why the region, despite its technology density, has such a disproportionately small startup scene.

AI IS a huge threat to a place like this and I am not optimistic about the ability for people to adapt.

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