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Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Post by ACCount37 »

iamkonstantin wrote: post #748
shepardrtc wrote: post #50

Ok so a few thoughts as a former Seattleite: 1. You were a therapy session for her. Her negativity was about the layoffs. 2. FAANG companies dramatically overhired for years and are using AI as an excuse for layoffs. 3. AI scene in Seattle is pretty good, but as with everywhere else was/is a victim of the AI hype. I see estimates of the hype being dead in a year. AI won't be dead, but throwing money at the whatever U…

The hate starts with the name. LLMs don't have the I in AI. It's like marketing a car as self-driving while all it can do is lane assist.

Then what do they have?

Is the siren song of "AI effect" so strong in your mind that you look at a system that writes short stories, solves advanced math problems and writes working code, and then immediately pronounce it "not intelligent"?

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Post by lerp-io »

entropi wrote: post #759
lerp-io wrote: post #757

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but the opposite is actually true. u can use ai to bypass a lot of SaaS solutions

So you are saying now that you can bypass a lot of solutions offered by a mix of small/large providers by using a single solution from a huge provider, this is the opposite of a centralization of power?

with ai specialized hardware you can run the open source models locally too and without without the huge provider stealing your precious IP

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Post by mgaunard »

blibble wrote: post #302
mgaunard wrote: post #208

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very little of the trading actually happens on the blockchain, it's only used to move assets between trading venues. The values of bitcoin are: - easy access to trading for everyone, without institutional or national barriers - high leverage to effectively easily borrow a lot of money to trade with - new derivative products that streamline the process and make speculation easier than ever The blockchain plays very li…

I agree with "easy access to trading for everyone, without institutional or national barriers" how on earth does bitcoin have anything to do with borrowing or derivatives? in a way that wouldn't also work for beanie babies

Those are the main innovations tied to crypto trading. They do indeed have little to do with the blockchain or bitcoin itself, and do apply to any asset.

There are actually several startups whose pitch is to bring back those innovations to equities (note that this is different from tokenized equities).

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Post by pbmonster »

utopiah wrote: post #751
hexator wrote: post #209

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Some people really do hate AI, it's not entirely about the layoffs. This is a well insulated bubble but you can find tons of anti-AI forums online.

> Some people really do hate AI That's probably me for a lot of people. The reality is a bit finer than this namely : - I hate VC funded AI which is actually super shallow (basically OpenAI/Claude wrappers) - I hate VC funded genuine BigAI that sells itself as the literal opposite of what it is, e.g. OpenAI... being NOT open. - I hate AI that hides it's ecological cost. Generating text, videos, etc is actually fascin…

> making the shittiest video with the dumbest script is taking the same amount of energy I'd need to fly across the globe.

I get your overall point, but the hyperbole is probably unhelpful. Flying a human across the globe takes several MWh. That's billions of tokens created (give or take an order of magnitude...).

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Post by johnnyanmac »

sunaookami wrote: post #736
johnnyanmac wrote: post #727

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ChatGPT for the common folk is used in the same way PirateBay is. Something can be "popular" and also "bad"

The argument was that common folk see it as "bad" which is clearly not the case.

Yes, and I made an argument supporting that "used" and "it's bad" are not mutually exclusive . You simply repeated what I responded to and asserted you're the right opinion.

It's clearly not that straightforward.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Post by thefz »

> Every time I shared Wanderfugl with a Seattle engineer, I got the same reflexive, critical, negative response. This wasn't true in Bali, Tokyo, Paris, or San Francisco—people were curious, engaged, wanted to understand what I was building

Believe me, the same reflexive, critical, negative response is true for most of Europe too

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Post by wongarsu »

iamkonstantin wrote: post #748
shepardrtc wrote: post #50

Ok so a few thoughts as a former Seattleite: 1. You were a therapy session for her. Her negativity was about the layoffs. 2. FAANG companies dramatically overhired for years and are using AI as an excuse for layoffs. 3. AI scene in Seattle is pretty good, but as with everywhere else was/is a victim of the AI hype. I see estimates of the hype being dead in a year. AI won't be dead, but throwing money at the whatever U…

The hate starts with the name. LLMs don't have the I in AI. It's like marketing a car as self-driving while all it can do is lane assist.

That's because there are at least 5 different definitions of AI.

- At it's inception in 1955 it was "learning or any other feature of intelligence" simulated by a machine [1] (fun fact: both neural networks and computers using natural language were on the agenda back then)

- Following from that we have the "all machine learning is AI" which was the prevalent definition about a decade ago

- Then there's the academic definition that is roughly "computers acting in real or simulated environments" and includes such mundane and algorithmic things as path finding

- Then there's obviously AGI, or the closely related Hollywood/SciFi definition of AI

- Then there's just "things that the general public doesn't expect computers to be able to do". Back when chess computers used to be called AI this was probably the closest definition that fits. Clever sales people also used to love to call prediction via simple linear regression AI

Notably four out of five of them don't involve computers actually being intelligent. And just a couple years ago we still sold simple face detection as AI

1: https://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/history/dartmouth/dartmo...

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Post by thefz »

hexator wrote: post #209
shepardrtc wrote: post #50

Ok so a few thoughts as a former Seattleite: 1. You were a therapy session for her. Her negativity was about the layoffs. 2. FAANG companies dramatically overhired for years and are using AI as an excuse for layoffs. 3. AI scene in Seattle is pretty good, but as with everywhere else was/is a victim of the AI hype. I see estimates of the hype being dead in a year. AI won't be dead, but throwing money at the whatever U…

Some people really do hate AI, it's not entirely about the layoffs. This is a well insulated bubble but you can find tons of anti-AI forums online.

> Some people really do hate AI

AGI? No, although it's not there. LLMs? Yes, lots. The main benefit they can give is to sort-of-speed-up internet search, but I have to go and check the sources anyway so I'll revert back to 20+ years of experience of doing it myself. Any other application of machine learning such almost instant speech to text? No, it's useful.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Post by kahnclusions »

ACCount37 wrote: post #761
iamkonstantin wrote: post #748

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hate starts with the name. LLMs don't have the I in AI. It's like marketing a car as self-driving while all it can do is lane assist.

Then what do they have? Is the siren song of "AI effect" so strong in your mind that you look at a system that writes short stories, solves advanced math problems and writes working code, and then immediately pronounce it "not intelligent"?

Based on the absolute trash I usually get out of ChatGPT, Claude, etc, I wouldn’t say that it writes “working” code.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Post by sunaookami »

AlexCoventry wrote: post #747
sunaookami wrote: post #704

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ChatGPT is one of the most used websites in the world and it's used by the most normal people in the world, in what way is the opinion "generally negative"?

Go express a pro-AI opinion or link a salient, accurate AI output on reddit, and watch the downvotes roll in.

We are talking about the common folk here, not redditors.
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