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Valve reveals it’s the architect behind a push to bring Windows games to Arm

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Re: Valve reveals it’s the architect behind a push to bring Windows games to Arm

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I sure hope it takes a bit longer than that. It would not be fun having only Qualcomm chips to choose from as a CPU. Either that or Intel/AMD start making their own ARM chips

There are rumours Intel might be the fab for the base M7 chip from Apple. That's the future.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

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Valve is one of the few companies regularly seen on HN where the headline is something like "[company] is secretly doing something really great" as opposed to "[company] is secretly doing something evil"

This is because it’s still majority owned by the original founder(s).

It's kind of scary that in a way future of gaming is in the hands of one man (who is getting old btw).

When Gabe is gone I cringe thinking MS will do everything in their power to buy Valve and turn it to complete shit couple years later.

Re: Valve reveals it’s the architect behind a push to bring Windows games to Arm

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I suppose this will is in order to be able to push lower powered hand helds to penetrate further into global markets. Not everyone can afford an X64 Nvidia usd5000 gaming workstation.

Given how expensive PC gaming is, between GPU and memory price explosions, I imagine everything Valve is doing, including recently announced hardware, is all in service of keeping Steam relevant.

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But isn’t Valve extremely profitable compared to pretty much non private company in the industry? They have few employees and massive revenue.

They're the #1 most profitable per employee . There are plenty of companies more profitable than Valve, but they have more employees. Valve could hire more employees.

Yes, I meat profit margin which is what public investors care about (in addition to growth).

And IIRC Valve and EA had almost exactly the same revenue figures last year, yet EA had 10x more employees.

On paper it would seem extremely appealing to public investors.

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Valve's only official statement as far as I know is that it will come when they see a significant enough hardware upgrade to warrant a new system. If they don't move to ARM, AMD's Medusa APUs are their next architecture with major upgrades, so I would guess that Valve would order another custom AMD chip but based on Medusa, which won't release until at least 2027. I would guess at least H2 2027 but probably early 202…

I would be surprised if they moved to ARM any time soon, because even if the CPUs can punch that hard, they're definitely not competing on the GPU front, from what I understand of the state of the art outside of Apple, so they're gonna wind up with a dGPU anyway if they did. Maybe my knowledge is out of date, but I'd be kind of surprised if a Snapdragon can get anywhere near competing with even the existing Steam Dec…

Does ARM support PCIe, by the way? Or has no one combined ARM with a dGPU because it's ridiculous to combine a low-voltage CPU with a space heater from Nvidia?

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Your argument doesn’t make any sense. What does this have to do with supporting Arm chips? It’s not like AMD and Intel are waging a war against Valve. If anything Steam helps them by strengthening the PC gaming market, leading to higher CPU/GPU sales.

Slowly getting their stuff independent of wintel gives a lot of flexibility. And the big gaming market's on phones / tablets. A steam controller could find itself paired to an iPad running steam in a year or two.

The only play I see here is a legitimate Valve console to take on XBOX and Sony. Plus Arm on a Steam Deck would improve the battery life considerably (assuming they are able to integrate with some powerful GPU solution).

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Valve is one of the few companies regularly seen on HN where the headline is something like "[company] is secretly doing something really great" as opposed to "[company] is secretly doing something evil"

People complain about the gambling/loot box stuff, and yeah there's legit ethical concerns there. But overall Valve just seems straightforwardly less shitty towards the consumer than other major companies in their space, by a long shot.

When you're skimming 30 % off worldwide PC game purchases you can afford to do that.

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There's an alternative project that runs Windows apps in a VM but integrates them fully and transparently into your Linux desktop, with MS Office particularly tended to. The apps run as if they're native to Linux. It was discussed here just this past week.

Yeah, Winboat, I might be part of that conversation you're referring to. I haven't ruled that out yet. I am planning on trying to convince them on this next time they ask me for tech support.

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Re: Valve reveals it’s the architect behind a push to bring Windows games to Arm

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Oh it’s not for lack of trying on my end. I tried getting them to play with OnlyOffice, and they said it was worse. If it doesn’t say Microsoft Office on there, they will say it’s worse. Objectivity has little to do with it. In a bit of fairness, my dad makes extremely liberal use of the VBA in Excel, and I am not sure how compatible OnlyOffice is for that.

There's an alternative project that runs Windows apps in a VM but integrates them fully and transparently into your Linux desktop, with MS Office particularly tended to. The apps run as if they're native to Linux. It was discussed here just this past week.

lsw :)
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