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Re: MinIO is now in maintenance-mode

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Post by EgoIncarnate »

runiq wrote: post #178
eproxus wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that page is horrendous and looks super sketchy. It looks like a very professional fishing attempt to get unsuspecting developers to download malware. They have a lot of obviously fake quotes from non-existent people at positions that don’t even mention what company it is. The pictures are misgendered and even contain pictures of kids. Feels like the whole page is AI generated.

They have a CLA that assigns copyright to them: https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs/blob/5b0a3a07645364d998e3f5... So, arguably worse than MinIO.

MinIO had a de facto CLA. MinIO required contributors to license their code to the project maintainers (only) under Apache 2. Not as bad as copyright assignment, but still asymmetric (they can relicense for commercial use, but you only get AGPL). https://github.com/minio/minio/blob/master/.github/PULL_REQU...

Re: MinIO is now in maintenance-mode

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Post by EgoIncarnate »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #61
uroni wrote: post #42

I've been working on https://github.com/uroni/hs5 as a replacement with similar goals to early minio. The core is stable at this point, but the user/policy management and the web interface is still in the works.

Looks like you cleanly point out their violation of the AGPL. I wish I were a lawyer with nothing better to do, I'd definitely be suing the MinIO group, there's no way they can cleanly remove the AGPL code outsiders contributed.

MinIO had a de facto CLA. MinIO required contributors to license their code to the project maintainers (only) under Apache 2. Not as bad as copyright assignment, but still asymmetric (they can relicense for commercial use, but you only get AGPL). https://github.com/minio/minio/blob/master/.github/PULL_REQU...

Re: MinIO is now in maintenance-mode

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Post by EgoIncarnate »

bityard wrote: post #73
giancarlostoro wrote: post #61

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Looks like you cleanly point out their violation of the AGPL. I wish I were a lawyer with nothing better to do, I'd definitely be suing the MinIO group, there's no way they can cleanly remove the AGPL code outsiders contributed.

I don't see a contributor licensing agreement (CLA), so you may be right. (I personally choose not to contribute to projects with CLAs, I don't want my contributions to become closed-source in the future.)

MinIO had a de facto CLA. MinIO required contributors to license their code to the project maintainers (only) under Apache 2. Not as bad as copyright assignment, but still asymmetric (they can relicense for commercial use, but you only get AGPL). https://github.com/minio/minio/blob/master/.github/PULL_REQU...

Re: MinIO is now in maintenance-mode

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Post by EgoIncarnate »

pabs3 wrote: post #253

Anyone know if MinIO AIStor is legal? AFAICT MinIO didn't have a CLA and there are 559 non-@minio.io commit authors in the git history, which could be an AGPL violation if they didn't get contributor approval for the license change. Or is AIStor a fresh codebase written from scratch? Edit: some discussion of this here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46136871

MinIO had a de facto CLA. MinIO required contributors to license their code to the project maintainers (only) under Apache 2. Not as bad as copyright assignment, but still asymmetric (they can relicense for commercial use, but you only get AGPL). https://github.com/minio/minio/blob/master/.github/PULL_REQU...

Re: MinIO is now in maintenance-mode

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Post by tonyhart7 »

elzbardico wrote: post #255
ahepp wrote: post #243

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> open source projects eventually need a path to monetization I guess I'm curious if I'm understanding what you mean here, because it seems like there's a huge number of counterexamples. GNU coreutils. The linux kernel. FreeBSD. NFS and iSCSI drivers for either of those kernels. Cgroups in the Linux kernel. If anything, it seems strange to expect to be able to monetize free-as-in-freedom software. GNU freedom number…

I don't think there's still someone actively working on the Linux kernel without receiving a salary, and this for the last two decades more or less.

I mean lets be real here, if you competent enough to contribute into linux kernel then you basically competent enough to get a job everywhere

Re: MinIO is now in maintenance-mode

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Post by ahepp »

elzbardico wrote: post #255
ahepp wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> open source projects eventually need a path to monetization I guess I'm curious if I'm understanding what you mean here, because it seems like there's a huge number of counterexamples. GNU coreutils. The linux kernel. FreeBSD. NFS and iSCSI drivers for either of those kernels. Cgroups in the Linux kernel. If anything, it seems strange to expect to be able to monetize free-as-in-freedom software. GNU freedom number…

I don't think there's still someone actively working on the Linux kernel without receiving a salary, and this for the last two decades more or less.

Yeah, that's why I said maybe I'm misunderstanding OP. If that's what OP meant by "monetization" then sure, monetization is great.

Companies pay their employees to work on Linux because it's valuable to them. Intel wants their hardware well supported. Facebook wants their servers running fast. It's an ecosystem built around free-as-in-freedom software, where a lot of people get paid to make the software better, and everyone can use it for free-as-in-beer

Compare that to the "open core" model where a company generally offers a limited gratis version of their product, but is really organized to funnel leads into their paid offering.

The latter is fine, but I don't really consider it some kind of charity or public service. It's just a company that's decided on a very radical marketing strategy.

Re: MinIO is now in maintenance-mode

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Post by snthpy »

victormy wrote: post #233

Big thanks to MinIO, RustFS, and Garage for their contributions. That said, MinIO closing the door on open source so abruptly definitely spooked the community. But honestly, fair play to them—open source projects eventually need a path to monetization. I’ve evaluated both RustFS and Garage, and here’s the breakdown: Release Cadence: Garage feels a bit slower, while RustFS is shipping updates almost weekly. Licensing:…

Thanks. I hadn't heard of RustFS. I've been meaning to migrate off my MinIO deployment.

I recently learned that Ceph also has an object store and have been playing around with microceph. Ceph also is more flexible than garage in terms of aggregating differently sized disks. Since it's also already integrated in Proxmox and has over a decade of enterprise deployments, that's my top contender at the moment. I'm just not sure about the level of S3 API compatibility.

Any opinions on Ceph vs RustFS?

Re: MinIO is now in maintenance-mode

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Post by grimblee »

ecshafer wrote: post #15
radlad wrote: post #6

Any good alternatives?

A lot of them actually. Ceph personally I've used. But there's a ton, some open source, some paid. Backblaze has a product Buckets or something. Dell powerscale. Cloudian has one. Nutanix has one.

If you just need a s3 endpoint for some services lookup garage

Re: MinIO is now in maintenance-mode

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Post by tlarkworthy »

zokier wrote: post #185
jerf wrote: post #152

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That may be what S3 is like , but what the S3 API is is this: https://pkg.go.dev/github.com/aws/aws-sdk-go-v2/service/s3 My browser prints that out to 413 pages with a naive print preview. You can squeeze it to 350 pretty reasonably with a bit of scaling before it starts getting to awfully small type on the page. Yes, there's a simple API with simple capabilities struggling to get out there, but pointing that out is…

> That may be what S3 is like, but what the S3 API is is this: https://pkg.go.dev/github.com/aws/aws-sdk-go-v2/service/s3 > My browser prints that out to 413 pages with a naive print preview. You can squeeze it to 350 pretty reasonably with a bit of scaling before it starts getting to awfully small type on the page. idk why you link to Go SDK docs when you can link to the actual API reference documentation: https://d…

It's better to link to a leading S3 compatible API docs page. You get a better measure of the essential complexity

https://developers.cloudflare.com/r2/api/s3/api/

It's not that much, most of weirder S3 APIs are optional, orthogonal APIs, which is good design.

Re: MinIO is now in maintenance-mode

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Post by [deleted] »

mikestorrent wrote: post #246
ahepp wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> open source projects eventually need a path to monetization I guess I'm curious if I'm understanding what you mean here, because it seems like there's a huge number of counterexamples. GNU coreutils. The linux kernel. FreeBSD. NFS and iSCSI drivers for either of those kernels. Cgroups in the Linux kernel. If anything, it seems strange to expect to be able to monetize free-as-in-freedom software. GNU freedom number…

I think, if anything, in this age of AI coding we should see a resurgence in true open-source projects where people are writing code how they feel like writing it and tossing it out into the world. The quality will be a mixed bag! and that's okay. No warranty expressed or implied. As the quality rises and the cost of AI coding drops - and it will, this phase of $500/mo for Cursor is not going to last - I think we'll…

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