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Micron Announces Exit from Crucial Consumer Business

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Re: Micron Announces Exit from Crucial Consumer Business

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Wow. They're not selling off the business, they're totally exiting it. This is a big loss. Crucial offered a supply chain direct from Micron. Most other consumer DRAM sources pass through middlemen, where fake parts and re-labeled rejects can be inserted.

Should countries have a upper limit on the ratio of server:client memory supply chain capacity? If no one can buy client hardware to access the cloud, how would cloud providers survive after driving their customers to extinction? It shouldn't be possible for one holding company (OpenAI) to silently buy all available memory wafer capacity from Samsung and SK Hynix, before the rest of civilization even has the opportun…

What if we realize that 8 GB of memory is actually a tremendous amount, and experience a resurgence in desktop operating systems as people begin to prioritize memory for productive computation again instead of using up a gigabyte for a chat client?

Re: Micron Announces Exit from Crucial Consumer Business

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Sounds like an opportunity for Chinese companies to step in and dominate, they have their playbook with solar, batteries, EVs.

Gotta love Phison controllers then... despite noticeable progress with modern NVMe controllers, I still wish you good luck.

Or even worse : Maxio

Re: Micron Announces Exit from Crucial Consumer Business

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consumers getting told 'get fucked' in 2025 is the motto of the day while companies chase those juicy a.i profits

well hopefully we see more proliferation of system of chips / unified architectures such as the one offered by apple being offered by amd, intel etc for consumer stuff.

Re: Micron Announces Exit from Crucial Consumer Business

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When it eventually does, they'll just come up with something else. Nvidia got a taste of inflated prices from the Crypto and then AI, and they're not going to just let that go. If nothing exists they'll make something and hype it endlessly to try to keep this going.

Then I sure hope Nvidia completely ceases to exist, like SGI, who, ironically, was decimated by Nvidia and cheap consumer hardware.

Unlikely. Unless some new technology comes around that completely invalidates existing GPUs and Nvidia cannot pivot to it quickly enough, there's just no way. They're too big, too rich, too powerful. They basically own the dedicated GPU market, with AMD holding maybe a piddly 10% at best.

Re: Micron Announces Exit from Crucial Consumer Business

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There is KLEVV, the outlet of SK Hynix. They are crass! https://www.klevv.com/ken/main And don't forget about https://www.nanya.com/en/ While I never had a problem with https://semiconductor.samsung.com/dram/module/ , I think they will be rare/more expensive now, or 'soonish'. For chinese CXMT and YMTC there is https://www.biwintech.com/ We live in interesting times! (Cackling madly...)

> KLEVV Just looked at standard desktop: still no 64GB 5600MT/s modules. CUDIMMs are missing 32GB. > And don't forget about Nanya BTW, what is the status of Elpida now?

Mostly R&D.

Re: Micron Announces Exit from Crucial Consumer Business

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They are rerouting RAMs for consumers to enterprise for server build up - for higher margins I’m sure. MAG7 will happily pay more but poor consumers like us can’t - this is more bad news for us.

Wondering if we're going to have a situation in the future where we end up having to buy the hand-me-downs from industry after they're done with them (and thus kind of outdated tech)? Kind of seems like the days of building your own PC are numbered.

This is already happening in the NAS HDD space. Prices on new units have been stagnant or rising for a couple years now.

Re: Micron Announces Exit from Crucial Consumer Business

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What a disaster for Micron. Having a consumer facing brand is 'crucial' for brand awareness. Micron is the smallest of the big 3 in DRAM and the only one in America. They're going to be swallowed up and replaced by CXMT.

Micron is chasing AI glory. Their stock valuation has no room for consumer business, which is a distraction. You can’t think about companies like it’s 2024. We’re in a gilded age with unlimited corruption… Anything can happen. They can sign a trillion dollar deal with OpenAI, get acquired by NVidia, merge with Intel, get nationalized by Trump, etc.

> Micron is chasing AI glory.

Sounds to me like they are using the tried and true method of selling equipment to the people rushing for gold

Re: Micron Announces Exit from Crucial Consumer Business

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I'm sad. I'm a software guy, not much of a hardware expert, so please bear with me if I"m too pessimistic. However, I feel that if trends like this continue, it might be the end of enthusiast-level personal computing as we know it. No more being able to head down to the electronics store and purchase RAM, motherboards, processors, GPUs, storage, and other components. We're going to be limited to locked-down terminals connected to cloud services, both of which provided by a small number of multinational corporations. If we're lucky, we might still have USB peripherals.

The sad thing is that we enthusiasts are a small market compared to the overwhelming majority of computer users who don't mind locked-down devices, or at least until they've been bitten by the restrictions, but if there are no alternatives other than retrocomputing, then it's too late. For decades we enthusiasts have been able to benefit from other markets with overlapping needs such as gaming, workstations, and corporate servers. However, many on-premise servers have been replaced by cloud services, the workstation market has been subsumed by the broader PC market, and PC gaming has faced challenges, from a push toward locked-down consoles to challenges in the GPU market due to competition with cryptocurrency mining and now AI.

One of the things I'm increasingly disappointed with is the dominance of large corporations in computing. It seems harder for small players to survive in this ecosystem. Software has to deal with network effects and large companies owning major platforms, and building your own hardware requires tons of capital.

I wonder if it's possible even for a company to make even 1980s-era electronics without massive capital expenditures? How feasible is it for a small company to manufacture the equivalent of a Motorola 68000 or Intel 386?

I'd like to see a market for hobbyist computing by hobbyist computer shops, but I'm not sure it's economically feasible.

Re: Micron Announces Exit from Crucial Consumer Business

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I feel like the "democratization of technology" is on the back slide. For the longest time, we had more and more access to high end technology at very reasonable price points. Now it feels like if you're not Facebook, Google, OpenAI, etc. etc. computation isn't for you. I hope this is just a blip, but I think there is a trend over the past few years.

Interesting take. In a naive way, when rich entities are interested in a limited resource it's basically over. Somehow I can see a parallel with the housing crisis where the price go higher and higher. I can't see both of them ending anytime soon unless there is a major paradigm shift in our life.

What's causing the housing crisis?
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