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The "Mad Men" in 4K on HBO Max Debacle

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It's weird that they'd have the crew in the frame anyway. Was it really not possible to have them out of frame? I guess being able to "do it in post" makes people lazy?

I guess the crew has to stay pretty close to the end of the hose or it becomes hard to time the... flow... correctly. Likely, they still had to process the frames anyway to make the... flow... look like it comes out of Sterling's mouth, not from the side of his face, so it was basically no extra cost.

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post #8

Great article, I really thought it was a recropping like friends (and many others). So weird that they just forgot about CGI.

It's even weirder when you consider how big of a deal this was for Star Trek only a few years ago (well maybe more than a few...). You would have thought people in the business would know about this.

Everyone is underpaid and overworked. All things considered the companies probably think it’s worth the trade off, they’ll just fix it and republish. Might even end up with more viewers in the end! How many people have learned that Mad Men is on HBO Max as a result of this?

Execs have less and less shame as the years go on. Pride in artistic endeavour? That’s not going to make the shareholders happy.

Re: The "Mad Men" in 4K on HBO Max Debacle

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post #8

Great article, I really thought it was a recropping like friends (and many others). So weird that they just forgot about CGI.

It's even weirder when you consider how big of a deal this was for Star Trek only a few years ago (well maybe more than a few...). You would have thought people in the business would know about this.

> You would have thought people in the business would know about this.

People in the business world seems to only know business, and that's the limit of what they care about. Place these people into the arts, and you quickly see how important it is to have at least a single ounce of care when you work on projects where you want some level of quality.

But I think HBO, Netflix and most TV/streaming services are run by business-people still, as they think it's a numbers game, not a arts game. Eventually someone will understand and take the world by storm, but seemingly not yet.

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It's weird that they'd have the crew in the frame anyway. Was it really not possible to have them out of frame? I guess being able to "do it in post" makes people lazy?

They were out of frame. Out of the 4:3 frame.

Edit: I jumped the gun and thought we were talking about the Friends screenshot.

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#25
The did something similar to Buffy The Vampire Slayer when "upgrading" it to HD. It lost all/most of the color grading and was cropped to 16:9.

Some night scenes now take place during daytime and you can see booms and camera operators in many shots.

It never even got a blu ray release. The only way to watch it at home without egregious errors is still DVD as far as I know.

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Unrelated: does anyone else experience huge lag with HBO streaming app? It’s easily the slowest I regularly use on Samsung smart tv.

On an Apple TV with first gen Homepods connected it is incredibly laggy. Specifically rewind and fast forward take sometimes up to 10 seconds to respond. And even then they never seem to get me to the correct location. It’s pretty maddening.

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It's weird that they'd have the crew in the frame anyway. Was it really not possible to have them out of frame? I guess being able to "do it in post" makes people lazy?

They were out of frame. Out of the 4:3 frame. Edit: I jumped the gun and thought we were talking about the Friends screenshot.

But it was never intended for 4:3. They were always in frame, just digitally removed.

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Fun fact: The X-Files production team foresaw the coming of 16:9 home entertainment, so they made some effort (increasing with later seasons) to try and "protect" a 16:9 frame, which allowed for an unusually good 16:9 Blu-ray restoration. [https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7499/look-inside-the-files...]

I learned this from the older X-files DVDs, which have some unusually good special features.

Re: The "Mad Men" in 4K on HBO Max Debacle

#30

The did something similar to Buffy The Vampire Slayer when "upgrading" it to HD. It lost all/most of the color grading and was cropped to 16:9. Some night scenes now take place during daytime and you can see booms and camera operators in many shots. It never even got a blu ray release. The only way to watch it at home without egregious errors is still DVD as far as I know.

I have the PAL DVD release, and I have to say the color grading has never been great, although it obviously at least has the correct effects applied.
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