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Re: Ask HN: Quality of recent gens of Dell/Lenovo laptops worse than 10 years ago?

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Sounds like Dells chargers are garbage. Yet another reason to stay away from Dell in that case. Never had this issue with any charger in my life. Everything USB should still take normal 5 volts, which any charger should provide without needing negotiation, and anything larger that actually needs more juice also should have the appropriate electronics to handle that (i.e. it's a phone or a laptop or a tablet or simila…

In this context I am talking about laptops and chargers, which are far less interchangeable. Phones are generally easy, but I would not trust my crappy dell charger to charge my phone without damaging it. What is the saying? In theory, theory and practice are the same, in practice, they are not.

That's Dell making chargers that are as good as their laptops, rather than chargers in general not working fine with any random device. The fact that your product is defective doesn't mean that the entire category its a part of shares it attributes.

Re: Ask HN: Quality of recent gens of Dell/Lenovo laptops worse than 10 years ago?

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I used to be a Dell customer; all my family members had Dell Latitude laptops. But I agree, they got worse. I had a fan break, a key fall out, and Bluetooth issues with some of them, and when it was time to upgrade, I moved to Apple MacBook. It took some time to learn how to work in the macOS environment, but I am happy now.

Re: Ask HN: Quality of recent gens of Dell/Lenovo laptops worse than 10 years ago?

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I got a Dell XPS for work a couple years ago on someone's recommendation... one of my worst-ever decisions. The touchpad sucks and routinely breaks requiring restarts, constantly having driver issues (and you have to deal with the capital-N Nightmare that is SupportAssist for drivers), graphics card is busted and makes the display driver crash once a month. Power states are completely broken. Laptop will randomly tur…

My last decent PC laptop was a Lenovo Thinkpad T530. That thing was a chunky black brick and felt like it was made from recycled Soviet-era tanks. Super modular, easy to upgrade RAM, drives, etc.

I got practically 10 years out of it. My next machine was a Dell XPS (Infinity Edge) laptop. I ordered it direct from Dell, unboxed it, turned it on and let it run the standard set of Windows updates. Came back an hour later and it was hung in a BSOD state. Rebooted and everything seemed to be working smoothly again but it was... concerning so I left it running overnight. Came back to YET ANOTHER BSOD the next morning and was like F### this.

Immediately RMA and sent it back. If your QC is a hot circle of garbage for a nearly $3000 machine then I have zero faith in your company.

Re: Ask HN: Quality of recent gens of Dell/Lenovo laptops worse than 10 years ago?

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Thinkpad X1 Carbon gen 13 here. Super happy with it. I do not see any flaws, decent battery lifetime. Perfect linux support. I am calculating 7+ years for that machine. I think its worth it. But there are many other less expensive Lenovo configurations. Not sure about the quality

Re: Ask HN: Quality of recent gens of Dell/Lenovo laptops worse than 10 years ago?

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The move to USB-C is actually great for compatibility across machines. Europe has a directive for companies to implement USB-C to reduce e-waste from chargers.

At the cost of soldering new usb ports every couple of years (a couple hundred from a local tech) because they are extremely fragile. Fine for phones, I hate it on my laptop. On top of that, the gan chargers are made as small as possible and overheat all the time. Modern, sleek, enshitified - just like our software!

I've got an M1 Macbook Pro for the last 2 years and plug and unplug the USB-C ports multiple times a day for charging and other stuff. Those ports are all still going strong.

Re: Ask HN: Quality of recent gens of Dell/Lenovo laptops worse than 10 years ago?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The laptops waking up in the backpack until the thermal security triggers or the battery is empty is a Microsoft Windows thing.

I've seen it on my system 76 (clevo) laptop from 2019 on linux, and on windows on the same hardware. I think its a firmware power state design bug. I have a lenovo from 2012 that never had this problem.

same manufacturer and vintage (maybe 2020?), and same problem.

Re: Ask HN: Quality of recent gens of Dell/Lenovo laptops worse than 10 years ago?

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Just my 2 cents: I run a tuxedo laptop, that is just a branded clevo device. It isn't as greatly build as a Mac, because nothing is. But my tuxedo works well, nothing broke, or needed any repair. Can recommend. Branded clevo pcs in Germany are used by Schenker, Nexoc, Wortmann, One Computer, MIFCON and more. Internationally, brands like System76, BTO and XNB are using clevo. I've never heard of BTO and XNB, so this m…

i have a system76 laptop. underpowered for its price point but okay.

the firmware and OS integration is fairly smooth and it generally runs faster than i'd have assumed for a laptop that old.

i have money to spend these days and can afford a thinkpad or mac so i'll probably lean that direction but i would consider another system76 too

Re: Ask HN: Quality of recent gens of Dell/Lenovo laptops worse than 10 years ago?

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Thinkpad X1 Carbon gen 13 here. Super happy with it. I do not see any flaws, decent battery lifetime. Perfect linux support. I am calculating 7+ years for that machine. I think its worth it. But there are many other less expensive Lenovo configurations. Not sure about the quality

On battery life: what is decent for you? I wonder, because the T14S that many are vouching for here gives me around 1.5h which is not the best, but I probably will be in the market for an X1 next year, so I wonder what to expect.
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