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Re: Anthropic acquires Bun

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Post by notnullorvoid »

mock-possum wrote: post #718
notnullorvoid wrote: post #708

I am more shocked about the origin story compared to the acquisition. > Almost five years ago, I was building a Minecraft-y voxel game in the browser. The codebase got kind of large, and the iteration cycle time took 45 seconds to test if changes worked. Most of that time was spent waiting for the Next.js dev server to hot reload. Why in the hell would anyone be using Next.js to make a 3D game... Jarred has always se…

Most people use what they know. You start out that way, and if it turns out to be good, you can always do a v2

Yes, but there are obvious limits to that. This is like someone who knows how to bake wanting to build a car, so they start making it out of dough.

Re: Anthropic acquires Bun

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Post by smarnach »

johnfn wrote: post #346
smarnach wrote: post #310

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Twice as fast at executing JavaScript? There's absolutely zero chance this is true. A JavaScript engine that's twice as fast as V8 in general doesn't exist. There may be 5 or 10 percent difference, but nothing really meaningful.

You might want to revise what you consider to be "absolutely zero chance". Bun has an insanely fast startup time, so it definitely can be true for small workloads. A classic example of this was on Bun's website for a while[1] - it was "Running 266 React SSR tests faster than Jest can print its version number". [1]: https://x.com/jarredsumner/status/1542824445810642946

I only claimed there is absolutely zero chance that Bun is twice as fast at executing general JavaScript as Deno. The example doesn't give any insight into the relative speeds of Bun and Deno, as fast as I can tell.

Re: Anthropic acquires Bun

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Post by throwaway-0001 »

hiduck wrote: post #583
Aurornis wrote: post #485

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> I had a vague idea that "Zig people" were generally "Software You Can Love" or "Handmade Software Movement" types, about small programs, exquisitely hand-written, etc, etc. In my experience, the extreme anti-LLM people and extreme pro-vibecoding people are a vocal online minority. If you get away from the internet yelling match, the typical use case for LLMs is in the middle. Experienced developers use them for som…

more people should have such a healthy approach not only to llms but to life in general. Same reason I partake less and less in online discourse: its so tribal and filled with anger that its just not worth it to contribute anymore. Learning how to be in the middle did wonders to me as a programmer and I think as a person as well.

Personally I hate this “in the middle” as it’s so relative you can shape to fit your narrative.

For example: what’s in the middle for programming?

For me 0 is writing 0 and 1. For others 0 is making the nand ports.

And 100 is ai llm vibe.

So 50/middle would be what exactly? It all depends.

Same for anything really. Some people I know keep saying not 8 not 80 to mean the middle.

Like what’s in the middle for amount of coding per day? 12 h? 8h? 2h?

What’s middle for making money? 50k, 500k, 500m?

What’s the middle for taking cyanide ? 1g? 1kg?

What about water? What about food? What about anything?

As you can see, it’s all relative and whomever says it, is trying to push his narrative as “middle” aka correct, while who does more or less is “wrong”.

Re: Anthropic acquires Bun

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Post by komali2 »

johncolanduoni wrote: post #719
notnullorvoid wrote: post #708

I am more shocked about the origin story compared to the acquisition. > Almost five years ago, I was building a Minecraft-y voxel game in the browser. The codebase got kind of large, and the iteration cycle time took 45 seconds to test if changes worked. Most of that time was spent waiting for the Next.js dev server to hot reload. Why in the hell would anyone be using Next.js to make a 3D game... Jarred has always se…

He may have been serving a game in a canvas hosted in a Next.js app, but have done all the actual game (rendering, simulation, etc.) in something else. That’s a decent approach - Next can handle the header of the webpage and the marketing blog or whatever just fine.

But like... so can an index.html with a script tag? Am I missing something, where did you read that there was a lot of work involving the header or an attached marketing blog?

Re: Anthropic acquires Bun

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Post by smarnach »

jasnell wrote: post #457
smarnach wrote: post #310

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Twice as fast at executing JavaScript? There's absolutely zero chance this is true. A JavaScript engine that's twice as fast as V8 in general doesn't exist. There may be 5 or 10 percent difference, but nothing really meaningful.

Keep in mind that it's not just a matter of comparing the JS engine. The runtime that is built around the engine can have a far greater impact on performance than the choice of v8 vs. JSC vs. anything else. In many microbenchmarks, Bun routinely outperforms Node.js and Deno in most tasks by a wide margin.

The claim I responded to is that Bun is "at least twice as fast" as Deno. This sounds a lot more general than Bun being twice as fast in cherry-picked microbenchmarks. I wasn't able to find any benchmark that found meaningful differences between the two runtimes for real-world workloads. (Example: https://hackernoon.com/myth-vs-reality-real-world-runtime-pe...)

Re: Anthropic acquires Bun

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Post by shortrounddev2 »

komali2 wrote: post #724
johncolanduoni wrote: post #719

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He may have been serving a game in a canvas hosted in a Next.js app, but have done all the actual game (rendering, simulation, etc.) in something else. That’s a decent approach - Next can handle the header of the webpage and the marketing blog or whatever just fine.

But like... so can an index.html with a script tag? Am I missing something, where did you read that there was a lot of work involving the header or an attached marketing blog?

index.html with script files would still benefit from a bundler. You can have a very minimal react footprint and still want to use react build tools just for bundling.

Re: Anthropic acquires Bun

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Post by smt88 »

MasterScrat wrote: post #629
fishmicrowaver wrote: post #590

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May I ask, what is this obsession with targeting the browser? I've also noticed a hatred of k8s here, and while I truly understand it, I'd take the complication of managing infrastructure over frontend fads any day.

HN has a hatred of K8s? That’s new to me

K8s is used in many situations it shouldn't be, and a lot of HNers (including me) are bitter about having to deal with the resulting messes

Re: Anthropic acquires Bun

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Post by ok_dad »

yellow_lead wrote: post #546
ok_dad wrote: post #537

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Yea, they just posted this a few days ago: https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/advanced-tool-use They discussed how running generated code is better for context management in many cases. The AI can generate code to retrieve, process, and filter the data it needs rather than doing it in-context, thus reducing context needs. Furthermore, if you can run the code right next to the server where the data is, it's all tha…

Java can run anywhere too

I ain’t hot a horse in this race I just put 2 and 2 together to get 4. I’m sure Java is fine but they didn’t buy Java.

Re: Anthropic acquires Bun

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Post by komali2 »

anamexis wrote: post #683
wrboyce wrote: post #640

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It’s relevant enough that I feel I can roll out this bash.org classic… Saying that Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders EDIT: someone has (much to my joy) made an archive of bash.org so here is a link[1], but I must say I’m quite jealous of today’s potential 1/10,000[2] who will discover bash.org from my comment! [1] https://bash-org-archive.co…

Perhaps my biggest claim to fame is being #11 on the bash.org top 100.

Hah, found it: https://bash-org-archive.com/?207373

So how did it work back in the day, people would just submit text and it would get upvoted? I always assumed like half of them were just made up.

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