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Re: Anthropic acquires Bun

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Post by polkchip2019 »

rvrb wrote: post #323
satvikpendem wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Search for pointer exceptions or core dumps on Bun's GitHub issues and you'll see why people (should) use Deno over Bun, if only because Rust is a way more safe language than Zig.

I haven't verified this, but I would be willing to bet that most of Bun's issues here have more to do with interfacing with JavaScriptCore through the C FFI than Zig itself. this is as much a problem in Rust as it is in Zig. in fact, it has been argued that writing unsafe Zig is safer than writing unsafe Rust: https://zackoverflow.dev/writing/unsafe-rust-vs-zig/

As someone who has researched the internals of Deno and Bun, your unverified vibe thoughts are flat out wrong. Bun is newer and buggier and that's just the way things go sometimes. You'll get over it.

Re: Anthropic acquires Bun

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Post by cobolcomesback »

rvnx wrote: post #452
cobolcomesback wrote: post #441

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A dependency that forms the foundation of your build process, distribution mechanisms, and management of other dependencies is a materially different risk than a dependency that, say, colorizes terminal output. I’m doubtful that alone motivated an acquisition, it was surely a confluence of factors, but Bun is definitely a significant dependency for Claude Code.

MIT code, let Bun continue develop it, once project is abandoned hire the developers. If they don't want to maintain; GitHub fork with more motivated people.

> MIT code, let Bun continue develop it, once project is abandoned hire the developers.

Why go through the pain of letting it be abandoned and then hiring the developers anyway, when instead you can hire the developers now and prevent it from being abandoned in the first place (and get some influence in project priorities as well)?

Re: Anthropic acquires Bun

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Post by mrcsharp »

piskov wrote: post #493

Genuine question: why js? Why not something like c#: native, fast, crossplatform, strongly-typed, great tooling, supports both scripting (ie single file-based) and compiled to a binary with no dependency whatsoever (nativeAOT), great errors and error stacks, list goes on. All great for AI to recover during its iterations of generating something useful. Genuinely perplexed.

Sadly, this will be the trend with things moving forward. JS is perceived as a good language and LLMs are meant to make them even easier to write. It is not about the mertis of a language. It's about which languages LLMs are "good" at.

Re: Anthropic acquires Bun

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Post by piskov »

awesome_dude wrote: post #513
piskov wrote: post #493

Genuine question: why js? Why not something like c#: native, fast, crossplatform, strongly-typed, great tooling, supports both scripting (ie single file-based) and compiled to a binary with no dependency whatsoever (nativeAOT), great errors and error stacks, list goes on. All great for AI to recover during its iterations of generating something useful. Genuinely perplexed.

You could make a better argument for Go (compiles to native for multiple targets, zero actual dependencies (no need for a platform or virtual machine on the target)

C# no longer requires .net installed or bundled inside exe.

Like I’ve said: NativeAOT

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/deploying/nati...

Re: Anthropic acquires Bun

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Post by mrcsharp »

awesome_dude wrote: post #513
piskov wrote: post #493

Genuine question: why js? Why not something like c#: native, fast, crossplatform, strongly-typed, great tooling, supports both scripting (ie single file-based) and compiled to a binary with no dependency whatsoever (nativeAOT), great errors and error stacks, list goes on. All great for AI to recover during its iterations of generating something useful. Genuinely perplexed.

You could make a better argument for Go (compiles to native for multiple targets, zero actual dependencies (no need for a platform or virtual machine on the target)

C# has AOT compilation producing native, single file assemblies. A bit behind on this compared to Go, but it's there.

Re: Anthropic acquires Bun

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Post by rsyring »

jomohke wrote: post #449
rglover wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Shl1-ZJI6E

Is this why everyone only seems to know the first half of Dario's quote? The guy in that video is commenting on a 40 second clip from twitter, not the original interview. I posted a link and transcription of the rest of his "three to six months" quote here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46126784

Thank you.

Re: Anthropic acquires Bun

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Post by reactordev »

tpetry wrote: post #439
reactordev wrote: post #213

Bun is such a great runtime. If you haven't tried it, try it. It's got bells and whistles. This will make sure Bun is around for many, many , years to come. Thanks Anthropic. Why Bun? Easy to setup and go. bun run Bells and whistles. (SQL, Router, SPA, JSX, Bundling, Binaries, Streams, Sockets, S3) Typescript Supported. (No need to tsc, bun can transpile for you) Binary builds. (single executables for easy deployment…

Its not 100% nodejs compatible. I see enough non-green dots in their own official report https://bun.com/docs/runtime/nodejs-compat And even in packages with full support you can find many github issues that bun behaves directly which leads to some bugs.

Not saying it’s 100%, there’s still the repl missing but all of node’s API is available in the sense that it’s ABI compatible (or will be very near term).

Re: Anthropic acquires Bun

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Post by lupire »

dijit wrote: post #476
vector_spaces wrote: post #469

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I am not your target with this question (I don't write Zig) but there is a spectrum of LLM usage for coding. It is possible to use LLMs extensively but almost never ship LLM generated code, except for tiny trivial functions. One can use them for ideation, quick research, or prototypes/starting places, and then build on that. That is how I use them, anyway Culturally I see pure vibe coders as intersecting more with en…

fwiw, copilots licence only explicitly permits using its suggestions the way you say. putting everyone using the generated outputs into a sort of unofficial grey market: even when using first-party tools. Which is weird.

Can you link to more info about this?

Re: Anthropic acquires Bun

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

robertjpayne wrote: post #440
Karrot_Kream wrote: post #409

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> They didn't have to join, which means they got a solid valuation. Did they? I see a $7MM seed round in 2022. Now to be clear that's a great seed round and it looks like they had plenty of traction. But it's unclear to me how they were going to monetize enough to justify their $7MM investment. If they continued with the consultancy model, they would need to pay back investors from contracts they negotiate with other…

They had a second round that was $19m in late 2023. I don't doubt for a second that they had a long runway given the small team.

I don't like all of the decisions they made for the runtime, or some of the way they communicate over social media/company culture, but I do admire how well-run the operation seems to have been from the outside. They've done a lot with (relatively) little, which is refreshing in our industry. I don't doubt they had a long runway either.
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