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OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by par »

TechRemarker wrote: post #84

Heard all the news how Gemini 3 is passing everyone on benchmarks, so quickly tested and still find it a far cry from ChatGPT in real world use when testing questions on both platforms. But importantly the ChatGPT app experience at least for iPhone/Mac users is drastically superior vs Google which feels very Google still. So Gemini would have to be drastically better answer wise than ChatGPT to lure users from a bett…

Yeah, hate to say but for me a big thing is i still couldn't separate my Gemini chats into folders. I had ChatGPT export some profiles and history and moved it into Gemini, and 1) when Gemini gave me answers i was more pleased but 2) Gemini was a bit more rigorous on guard rails, which seems a bit overly cautious. I was asking some pretty basic non-controversial stuff.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by cortesoft »

kokanee wrote: post #43
whiplash451 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bottleneck isn’t the people doing the work but the leadership’s bandwidth for strategic thinking

I think it's a matter of public perception and user sentiment. You don't want to shove ads into a product that people are already complaining about. And you don't want the media asking questions like why you rolled out a "health assistant" at the same time you were scrambling to address major safety, reliability, and legal challenges.

Exactly. This is more about “the product isn’t good enough yet to survive the enshittification effect of adding ads.”

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by Workaccount2 »

cj wrote: post #57
Phelinofist wrote: post #20

IMHO Gemini surpassed ChatGPT by quite a bit - I switched. Gemini is faster, the thinking mode gives me reliably better answers and it has a more "business like" conversation attitude which is refreshing in comparison to the over-the-top informal ChatGPT default.

Is there a replacement for ChatGPT projects in Gemini yet? That's the only ChatGPT feature keeping me from moving to Gemini. Specifically, the ability to upload files and automatically make them available as context for a prompt.

Looks like it is coming out soon:

https://www.androidauthority.com/google-gemini-projects-2-36...

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by j45 »

TechRemarker wrote: post #84

Heard all the news how Gemini 3 is passing everyone on benchmarks, so quickly tested and still find it a far cry from ChatGPT in real world use when testing questions on both platforms. But importantly the ChatGPT app experience at least for iPhone/Mac users is drastically superior vs Google which feels very Google still. So Gemini would have to be drastically better answer wise than ChatGPT to lure users from a bett…

Training and gaming for the benchmarks is different than actual use.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by threecheese »

jiggawatts wrote: post #89
TechRemarker wrote: post #84

Heard all the news how Gemini 3 is passing everyone on benchmarks, so quickly tested and still find it a far cry from ChatGPT in real world use when testing questions on both platforms. But importantly the ChatGPT app experience at least for iPhone/Mac users is drastically superior vs Google which feels very Google still. So Gemini would have to be drastically better answer wise than ChatGPT to lure users from a bett…

Curiously, I had the opposite experience, except for Deep Research mode where after the latest update the OpenAI offering has become genuinely amazing. This is doubly ironic because Gemini has direct API access to Google search!

It is good, but Pro subscribers get only five per month. After that, it’s a limited version, and it’s not good (normal 5.1 gives more comprehensive answers than DR Limited).

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by krustyburger »

What will it do to Jony Ive’s legacy if his OpenAI device is no more successful than Snapchat’s foray into hardware?

If OpenAI becomes an also-ran by the time the hardware is released, this seems like a real possibility no matter how well-designed it is.

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Post by null_deref »

bdhtu wrote: post #145
hodgehog11 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's really fascinating. Every real world use case I've tried on Gemini (especially math-related) absolutely slaughtered the performance of ChatGPT in speed and quality, not even close. As an Android user, the Gemini app is also far superior, since the ChatGPT app still doesn't properly display math equations, among plenty of other bugs.

What do you mean? It renders LaTex fine on Android.

I had a problem where ChatGPT rendered math to me from right to left. Sure thing YMMV

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by tim333 »

hodgehog11 wrote: post #128
badmonster wrote: post #99

"Code red" feels like theater. Competition is healthy - Google's compute advantage was always going to matter once they got serious. The real question isn't who's ahead this quarter, but whether anyone can maintain a moat when the underlying tech is rapidly commoditizing.

It was always clear that the insane technological monopoly of Google would always eventually allow them to surpass OpenAI once they stopped messing around and built a real product. It seems this is that moment. There is no healthy competition here because the two are not even remotely on the same footing. "Code red" sounds about right. I don't see any way they can catch up. Their engineers at the moment (since many o…

I was wondering how much difference people leaving has made. Most of OpenAI's lead seemed to happen before the trying to fire Altman, Ilya and Mira leaving saga.
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