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OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by greenavocado »

Andrex wrote: post #115
devsda wrote: post #101

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Since we are on the topic of bans & Google, I have a question. How likely or difficult is it for Google to engage in, for lack of better word, "thought policing"? You ask your "private" AI assistant to answer a naughty question or help with problematic task(from Google's hidden list) and then you eventually face the ban hammer. Did anybody ever get banned for searching the wrong keywords?

> Did anybody ever get banned for searching the wrong keywords? No, but they probably pass clusters of (perceived to be) dangerous searches on to the Feds. Talking out my ass though.

They do pass it on to the feds

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveil...

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by emp17344 »

binarymax wrote: post #138
TechRemarker wrote: post #84

Heard all the news how Gemini 3 is passing everyone on benchmarks, so quickly tested and still find it a far cry from ChatGPT in real world use when testing questions on both platforms. But importantly the ChatGPT app experience at least for iPhone/Mac users is drastically superior vs Google which feels very Google still. So Gemini would have to be drastically better answer wise than ChatGPT to lure users from a bett…

Benchmaxxing galore by lots of teams in this space.

I think it’s entirely possible that AI actually has plateaued, or has reached a point where a jump in intelligence comes at the cost of reliability.

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Post by lanthissa »

TechRemarker wrote: post #84

Heard all the news how Gemini 3 is passing everyone on benchmarks, so quickly tested and still find it a far cry from ChatGPT in real world use when testing questions on both platforms. But importantly the ChatGPT app experience at least for iPhone/Mac users is drastically superior vs Google which feels very Google still. So Gemini would have to be drastically better answer wise than ChatGPT to lure users from a bett…

they're deep into a redesign of the gemini app, idk when it will be released or if its going to be good, but at least they agree with you and are putting significant resources into fixing it.

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Post by bdhtu »

hodgehog11 wrote: post #117
TechRemarker wrote: post #84

Heard all the news how Gemini 3 is passing everyone on benchmarks, so quickly tested and still find it a far cry from ChatGPT in real world use when testing questions on both platforms. But importantly the ChatGPT app experience at least for iPhone/Mac users is drastically superior vs Google which feels very Google still. So Gemini would have to be drastically better answer wise than ChatGPT to lure users from a bett…

That's really fascinating. Every real world use case I've tried on Gemini (especially math-related) absolutely slaughtered the performance of ChatGPT in speed and quality, not even close. As an Android user, the Gemini app is also far superior, since the ChatGPT app still doesn't properly display math equations, among plenty of other bugs.

What do you mean? It renders LaTex fine on Android.

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Post by achow »

WSJ: Altman said OpenAI would be pushing back work on other initiatives, such as advertising, AI agents for health and shopping, and a personal assistant called Pulse.

These plus working with Jony Ive on hardware, makes it sound like they took their eyes off the ball.

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Post by hugh-avherald »

emp17344 wrote: post #142
binarymax wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Benchmaxxing galore by lots of teams in this space.

I think it’s entirely possible that AI actually has plateaued, or has reached a point where a jump in intelligence comes at the cost of reliability.

I suspect it's reached the point where the distinguishing quality of one model over the others is only observable by true experts -- and only in their respective fields. We are exhausting the well of frontier questions that can be programmatically asked and the answers checked.

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Post by hodgehog11 »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #119

I see google partnering with different companies to mine their data for AI, but I don't see that with OpenAI. They had a good thing going with Microsoft but it looks like that relationship is a bit sour now? Surely they know that they can't just keep scraping the internet to train models. If I don't use a Microsoft product, I'd have to go out of my way to use an OpenAI service. But they don't have a specialized "serv…

No, I don't think they'll be okay. A long slow death perhaps, but I would be surprised if they can dig themselves out of this hole.

You can't beat Google on high-quality data for pretraining; at scale, that's what really matters most, both in theory and practice. Other companies like Anthropic and DeepSeek are keeping up by taking advantage of smarter RL approaches, but I just don't see anyone at OpenAI with the research credentials to do that kind of work as they all left in the last mass exodus. They have been too complacent and let much of their high-quality talent go to their competition.

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Post by sebmellen »

doubled112 wrote: post #105
therein wrote: post #93

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Not sure how that would be done without pissing people off. But you know what sounds good right now? A fresh bowl of Kellogg's Rice Crispy Treats. Would you like me to load Instacart for you?

I was shocked to see Prime Video display a button to open the Amazon store to the product that was playing in the ad.

When this happened to me yesterday I felt I’d entered a black mirror episode.
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