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OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by tapoxi »

TechRemarker wrote: post #84

Heard all the news how Gemini 3 is passing everyone on benchmarks, so quickly tested and still find it a far cry from ChatGPT in real world use when testing questions on both platforms. But importantly the ChatGPT app experience at least for iPhone/Mac users is drastically superior vs Google which feels very Google still. So Gemini would have to be drastically better answer wise than ChatGPT to lure users from a bett…

Its really hard to measure these things. Personally I switched to Gemini a few months ago since it was half the cost of ChatGPT (Verizon has a $10/month Google AI package). I feel like I've subconsciously learned to prompt it slightly differently and now using OpenAI products feels disappointing. Gemini tends to give me the answer I expect, Claude follows close behind, I get "meh" results from OpenAI.

I am using Gemini 3 Pro, I rarely use Flash.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by thevillagechief »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #83

Conspiracy time. >be Google >watch regulators circle like vultures >realize antitrust heat is rising faster than stock buybacks can hide >notice a small lab called OpenAI making exotic tech and attracting political fascination >calculate that nothing freezes regulators like an unpredictable new frontier >decide to treat OpenAI as an accidental firebreak >let them sprint ahead unchecked watch lawmakers panic about hyp…

This is one conspiracy theory I've actually considered. Google waited until the Chrome outcome to come out swinging.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by therein »

ceejayoz wrote: post #40
tiahura wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is strategic thinking going to produce novel ideas about neural networks?

The strategic thinking revolves around "how do we put ads in without everyone getting massively pissed?" sort of questions.

Not sure how that would be done without pissing people off. But you know what sounds good right now? A fresh bowl of Kellogg's Rice Crispy Treats. Would you like me to load Instacart for you?

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by semiinfinitely »

AI creates the possibility to disrupt existing power structures - this is the only reason it gathers so much focus. If it were merely tool that increased efficiency of work, few would care so much. We already frequently get such tools which draw far less attention.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by observationist »

jiggawatts wrote: post #89
TechRemarker wrote: post #84

Heard all the news how Gemini 3 is passing everyone on benchmarks, so quickly tested and still find it a far cry from ChatGPT in real world use when testing questions on both platforms. But importantly the ChatGPT app experience at least for iPhone/Mac users is drastically superior vs Google which feels very Google still. So Gemini would have to be drastically better answer wise than ChatGPT to lure users from a bett…

Curiously, I had the opposite experience, except for Deep Research mode where after the latest update the OpenAI offering has become genuinely amazing. This is doubly ironic because Gemini has direct API access to Google search!

Google search is awful. I don't think they can put lipstick on that particular pig and expect anyone to think it's beautiful.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by dbbk »

theplatman wrote: post #16
Fricken wrote: post #12

I take this code red as a red flag. Open AI should continue to concern itself with where it will be 5 years from now, not lose sight over concern about where it will 5 months from now.

open ai is at risk of complete collapse if it cannot fulfill its financial obligations. if people willing to give them money don't have faith in their ability to win the AI race anymore, then they're going out of business.

Spoiler alert they're going to go out of business

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by gaigalas »

another_twist wrote: post #9
jasonthorsness wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ha what an incredible consumer-friendly outcome! Hopefully competition keeps the focus on improving models and prevents irritating kinds of monetization

If there's no monetization, the industry will just collapse. Not a good thing to aspire to. I hope they make money whilst doing these improvements.

> the industry will just collapse

Wait, so all of that talk of ushering an era of innovation and new opportunities was just a lie, and the thing needs dinosaur-era stuff like ads and online shopping to survive?

Seems disingenuous.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by apparent »

jasonthorsness wrote: post #7
rappatic wrote: post #5

> the company will be delaying initiatives like ads, shopping and health agents, and a personal assistant, Pulse, to focus on improving ChatGPT There's maybe like a few hundred people in the industry who can truly do original work on fundamentally improving a bleeding-edge LLM like ChatGPT, and a whole bunch of people who can do work on ads and shopping. One doesn't seem to get in the way of the other.

ha what an incredible consumer-friendly outcome! Hopefully competition keeps the focus on improving models and prevents irritating kinds of monetization

Just like uber rides funded by VC cash was great...until the VC money ran out and prices jumped to fill the gap.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by badmonster »

"Code red" feels like theater. Competition is healthy - Google's compute advantage was always going to matter once they got serious. The real question isn't who's ahead this quarter, but whether anyone can maintain a moat when the underlying tech is rapidly commoditizing.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by stanford_labrat »

kokanee wrote: post #43
whiplash451 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bottleneck isn’t the people doing the work but the leadership’s bandwidth for strategic thinking

I think it's a matter of public perception and user sentiment. You don't want to shove ads into a product that people are already complaining about. And you don't want the media asking questions like why you rolled out a "health assistant" at the same time you were scrambling to address major safety, reliability, and legal challenges.

chatgpt making targeted "recommendations" (read ads) is a nightmare. especially if it's subtle and not disclosed.
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