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Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Not because Apple made a jump in sales but mostly because Samsung has been on a decade long decline.

If it weren't for the S-Pen, I'd ditch Samsung in a heartbeat.

The day iPhone has a built-in EMR/AES stylus is the day I become a customer (despite being an Android lifer).

Don't think that will ever happen though, despite Apple shipping Pencil for iPads.

Samsung has definitely built a (small) moat being the only vendor with that offering.

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

#22
post #16

So dark patterns to increase peer pressure and hard vendor lock in work then: exploiting networking effects and social pressure like green vs. blue bubbles, technically unnecessary hard requirements for other devices that are locked into the same garden prison, random compatibility restrictions/omissions in built in apps etc. Apple really is far from innocent. They just pull their customers over the table in such a s…

No, it's just that Samsung phones suck.

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

#23
post #16

So dark patterns to increase peer pressure and hard vendor lock in work then: exploiting networking effects and social pressure like green vs. blue bubbles, technically unnecessary hard requirements for other devices that are locked into the same garden prison, random compatibility restrictions/omissions in built in apps etc. Apple really is far from innocent. They just pull their customers over the table in such a s…

Or maybe they make better phones?

I got tired of Android after 9 years of being Android only. I just wanted a phone that worked. Apple made said phone. Android feels like your younger cousin's sketchy Windows computer. I remember changing from like 2 different Android phones over a period of 4 years or so, and my amazing megapixel photos looked nowhere near as good as my cousins 5-year-old iPhone photos.

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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post #9
post #5

Not because Apple made a jump in sales but mostly because Samsung has been on a decade long decline.

Samsung has good hardware, but their software is really mediocre, at best. Many of their devices are laggy and slow down further after some updates. This is the case even on high-end devices. Our 12-month-old Galaxy Tab is slower than a 7-year-old Pixel. Hard to understand. Plus, they make really odd tweaks to the UI, such as adding a permanent button overlay that clashes with most hamburger icons in websites and app…

Well Samsung was overtaken by Xiaomi and Xiaomi software is even worse...?

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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post #3

Source: https://counterpointresearch.com/en/insights/Global-Smartpho...

Looks like Samsung decreased a lot because Xiaomi ate their lunch, which doesn't surprise me.

That happened due to the China-South Korea trade war following the installation of THAAD in SK in 2016 [0]. Notice how the Chinese OEM spike and Samsung's decline happen following the 2016-17 diplomatic crisis. It was also during this period that Korea Inc began shifting to Vietnam [1][2] and India as a result.

Additonally, that spike for Xiaomi and other Chinese OEMs also happened right when Chinese OEMs expanded their India business in 2015-17 [3][4][5]. On that note, notice how all those Chinese OEM saw sales dropped and then flatlined from 2021 onwards. While the pandemic did play a role, India began lawfare against Chinese companies following the Galwan Crisis in 2021 [6][7][8] with the Indian government de facto forcing Chinese firms to "indianize" [9] - which ironically is similar to how the Chinese government operated in the 2000s and 2010s with Western firms and what the Chinese government leveraged against Korea a decade previously.

[0] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-12/china-sai...

[1] - https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20181122001200320

[2] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-02/s-korea-d...

[3] - https://www.forbes.com/sites/baxiabhishek/2017/09/12/the-ris...

[4] - https://indianexpress.com/article/technology/tech-news-techn...

[5] - https://telecom.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/oppo-grew-...

[6] - https://www.reuters.com/world/india/india-seizes-725-mln-xia...

[7] - https://www.reuters.com/world/india/india-accuses-chinas-opp...

[8] - https://www.reuters.com/world/india/indias-enforcement-direc...

[9] - https://etplay.com/business/why-chinese-cos-have-been-indian...

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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post #9
post #5

Not because Apple made a jump in sales but mostly because Samsung has been on a decade long decline.

Samsung has good hardware, but their software is really mediocre, at best. Many of their devices are laggy and slow down further after some updates. This is the case even on high-end devices. Our 12-month-old Galaxy Tab is slower than a 7-year-old Pixel. Hard to understand. Plus, they make really odd tweaks to the UI, such as adding a permanent button overlay that clashes with most hamburger icons in websites and app…

Odd. I've had the Z Fold 5 and now 7 and the last few years' worth of Samsung firmware has been excellent for me. Perhaps they build 'for' their flagships and let devices that perhaps have lower tier chipsets run slowly?

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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https://counterpointresearch.com/en/insights/global-smartpho...

So every quarter this year except the last quarter, Samsung outsold Apple. So they're predicting that Q42025 for Samsung will be miserable sales or Apple will have skyrocketed sales?

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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I belong to one demography of ex Samsung customers:

I've blacklisted them for hurting UX to show ads. Last device: my very high-end OLED TV has the worst menu navigation, just to take me back to the home screen where they hoped to show ads to me. Once I realized they are analysing my content, even when coming from an external device to send home for ADs, I just disconnected it from the internet.

I'll not buy anything again unless they change this and stay away from it long enough to repair the damage to trust.

Not buying an Apple device either, but for different reasons.

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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post #5

Not because Apple made a jump in sales but mostly because Samsung has been on a decade long decline.

I don't disagree with Samsung's decline, but:

> Sales of the iPhone 17 series in the U.S. — including the iPhone Air — during the first four weeks after launch was 12% higher than that of the iPhone 16 series, excluding the iPhone 16e, the research firm said. In China, a critical market for Apple, sales of the iPhone 17 series during the same period were 18% higher than its predecessor.

So iPhone 17 is selling well. I think it's fair to call it a hit. Do they make another hit next year? Who knows (I'd bet against it), but they won this year's game I believe.

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