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OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by ryandvm »

rashidujang wrote: post #11

> There will be a daily call for those tasked with improving the chatbot, the memo said, and Altman encouraged temporary team transfers to speed up development. It's incredible how 50 year-old advice from The Mythical Man-Month are still not being heed. Throw in a knee-jerk solution of "daily call" (sound familiar?) for those involved while they are wading knee-deep through work and you have a perfect storm of terrib…

Don't forget the bleak subtext of all this.

All these engineers working 70 hour weeks for world class sociopaths in some sort of fucked up space race to create a technology that is supposed to make all of them unemployed.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by mvdtnz »

Phelinofist wrote: post #20

IMHO Gemini surpassed ChatGPT by quite a bit - I switched. Gemini is faster, the thinking mode gives me reliably better answers and it has a more "business like" conversation attitude which is refreshing in comparison to the over-the-top informal ChatGPT default.

> [Gemini] has a more "business like" conversation attitude which is refreshing in comparison to the over-the-top informal ChatGPT default.

Maybe "business like" for Americans. In most of the world we don't spend quite so much effort glazing one another in the workplace. "That's an incredibly insightful question and really gets to the heart of the matter". No it isn't. I was shocked they didn't fix this behavior in v3.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by zingababba »

trymas wrote: post #22
skywhopper wrote: post #3

There will be a daily call for those tasked with improving the chatbot, the memo said, and Altman encouraged temporary team transfers to speed up development. Truly brilliant software development management going on here. Daily update meetings and temporary staff transfers. Well known strategies for increasing velocity!

…someone even wrote a book about this. Something about “mythical men”… :D

Needs an update re: mythical AI.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by tim333 »

ryandvm wrote: post #71
rashidujang wrote: post #11

> There will be a daily call for those tasked with improving the chatbot, the memo said, and Altman encouraged temporary team transfers to speed up development. It's incredible how 50 year-old advice from The Mythical Man-Month are still not being heed. Throw in a knee-jerk solution of "daily call" (sound familiar?) for those involved while they are wading knee-deep through work and you have a perfect storm of terrib…

Don't forget the bleak subtext of all this. All these engineers working 70 hour weeks for world class sociopaths in some sort of fucked up space race to create a technology that is supposed to make all of them unemployed .

You can have a more upbeat take on it all.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by hek2sch »

cj wrote: post #57
Phelinofist wrote: post #20

IMHO Gemini surpassed ChatGPT by quite a bit - I switched. Gemini is faster, the thinking mode gives me reliably better answers and it has a more "business like" conversation attitude which is refreshing in comparison to the over-the-top informal ChatGPT default.

Is there a replacement for ChatGPT projects in Gemini yet? That's the only ChatGPT feature keeping me from moving to Gemini. Specifically, the ability to upload files and automatically make them available as context for a prompt.

Isn't that already nouswise? Nouswise would ground answers based on low level quotes plus you get an api from your projects.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by tim333 »

techblueberry wrote: post #47
rappatic wrote: post #5

> the company will be delaying initiatives like ads, shopping and health agents, and a personal assistant, Pulse, to focus on improving ChatGPT There's maybe like a few hundred people in the industry who can truly do original work on fundamentally improving a bleeding-edge LLM like ChatGPT, and a whole bunch of people who can do work on ads and shopping. One doesn't seem to get in the way of the other.

Far be it from me to backseat drive for Sam Altman, but is the problem really that the core product needs improvement, or that it needs a better ecosystem? I can't imagine people are choosing they're chatbots based on providing the perfect answers, it's what you can do with it. I would assume google has the advantage because it's built into a tool people already use every day, not because it's nominally "better" at g…

ChatGPT's thing always seems to have been to be the best LLM, hence the most users without much advertising and the most investment money to support their dominance. If they drop to second or third best it may cause them problems because they rely on investor money to pay the rather large bills.

Currently they are not #1 in any of the categories on LLM arena, and even on user numbers where they have dominated, Google is catching up, 650m monthly for Gemini, 800m for ChatGPT.

Also Google/Hassabis don't show much sign of slacking off (https://youtu.be/rq-2i1blAlU?t=860)

Funnily enough Google had a "Chat Bot Is a ‘Code Red’ for Google’s Search Business" thing back in 2022 but seem to have got it together https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/21/technology/ai-chatgpt-goo...

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by amelius »

piva00 wrote: post #69
amelius wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But anyone with enough money can make infra. Maybe not at the scale of Google, but maybe that's not necessary (unless you have a continuous stream of fresh high-quality training data).

If making infra means designing their own silicon to target only inference instead of more general GPUs I can agree with you, otherwise the long-term success is based on how cheap they can run the infra compared to competitors. Depending on Nvidia for your inference means you'll be price gouged for it, Nvidia has a golden goose for now and will milk it as much as possible. I don't see how a company without optimised…

The silicon can be very generic. I don't see why prices of "tensor" computation units can't go down if the world sees the value in them, just like how it happened with CPUs.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by OutOfHere »

sometimes_all wrote: post #38

For regular consumers, Gemini's AI pro plan is a tough one to beat. The chat quality has gotten much better, I am able to share my plan with a couple more people in my family leading to proper individual chat histories, I get 2 TB of extra storage (which is also sharable), plus some really nice stuff like NotebookLM, which has been amazing for doing research. Veo/Nanobanana are nice bonuses. It's easily worth the mon…

I strongly advise never using Google's Drive storage. They're known to scan all content, and to disable all access if even a single file is "problematic", often misclassified by a bot. If you do use the storage, do backup all your files, and be ready to lose access at any time, with no way to reach any intelligent human.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by throwacct »

OutOfHere wrote: post #79
sometimes_all wrote: post #38

For regular consumers, Gemini's AI pro plan is a tough one to beat. The chat quality has gotten much better, I am able to share my plan with a couple more people in my family leading to proper individual chat histories, I get 2 TB of extra storage (which is also sharable), plus some really nice stuff like NotebookLM, which has been amazing for doing research. Veo/Nanobanana are nice bonuses. It's easily worth the mon…

I strongly advise never using Google's Drive storage. They're known to scan all content, and to disable all access if even a single file is "problematic", often misclassified by a bot. If you do use the storage, do backup all your files, and be ready to lose access at any time, with no way to reach any intelligent human.

Which product do you recommend? OneDrive? Dropbox?
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