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Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

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Re: Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

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post #8

> This justifies the most extreme violence against his opponents while protecting his own views from contestation. Thiel’s world is a battlefield of moral absolutes rather than a terrain of political complexity where different interests and values are contested and negotiated. The irony of this being on a site called jacobin is palpable.

I downvoted you. It's well-known that The Jacobin is named after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Jacobins.

Re: Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

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post #13

Maybe slightly off topic to the article, but I don't really care what Peter Thiel has to say. I do think we need to collectively think about how to not give these people a microphone. It's one thing to have concentrated wealth. It's a very different thing to have concentrated wealth and people's attention. I think that's a much more interesting discussion :).

This is the article's second sentence:

"Thiel’s lurid, apocalyptic view of world politics may be ludicrous or even deranged, but his wealth and power mean that we can’t afford to ignore it."

Re: Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice "both sides" argument, very subtle.

Sometimes both sides do suck.

One side is metastasising in the US government right now, the other has been long dead.

"it's the same because they're both bad"

ok...

Re: Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

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post #4

I mean, they have a point. But considering they run a whole journal on literal communism, it’s hard to take them seriously. The message falls flat when it comes from a different flavor of dangerous fantasy.

Interesting that this is being downvoted considering "Thiel is a right-wing loon" and "Jacobin are a bunch of left-wing loons" are not mutually exclusive statements. They're both wrong, just in different ways, and observing this is not "bothsidesism."

Discussing the messenger instead of the message is a common strategy to derail conversations away from the message.

Re: Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s intentionally blunt. That’s exactly the issue right now: fascists and communists are going at each other and tearing apart what remains of our liberal world.

It's not particularly worth saving

I guess we have to learn every 80-100 years, that, actually it is.

Re: Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Odd for a gay man to court those who support Leviticus stoning of gays. Self hating? Or just savvy?

In the current setup, having enough money protects you from the laws of the country and the judgment of others. Thiel is rich enough and therefore powerful enough that these culture wars will never personally affect him or anyone he cares about.

And that includes the Catholic Church.

Re: Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

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post #4

I mean, they have a point. But considering they run a whole journal on literal communism, it’s hard to take them seriously. The message falls flat when it comes from a different flavor of dangerous fantasy.

The core belief in communism is "collective ownership for the common good" which feels like a far cry from "the literal antichrist is coming."

I could follow an argument that Jacobin is naive, but it seems silly to make the direct comparison to someone who thinks we're approaching some predictable end of days and say they're the same.

Re: Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

#29
> Thiel transforms US imperial power and unrestrained technological expansion ... into the final rampart against what he imagines as a catastrophic global homogenization.

Thiel warns about Antichrist, while doing the very thing that's enabling his coming. Unrestrained technological expansion is exactly what's erasing the human spirit and replacing it with a machine culture.

Re: Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy

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post #4

I mean, they have a point. But considering they run a whole journal on literal communism, it’s hard to take them seriously. The message falls flat when it comes from a different flavor of dangerous fantasy.

Here comes another person throwing out words like “communism” yet using the term inaccurately. Please invest in a dictionary.
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