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Re: Ask HN: Quality of recent gens of Dell/Lenovo laptops worse than 10 years ago?

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this just sounds absolutely horrendous. I could not operate like this. Is this a general linux on laptop thing or just a specific to your situation thing?

I think it's specific to their machine? I've got an old Skylake (6600u) machine with Secure Boot disabled that will last a weekend with the lid closed.

> with Secure Boot disabled

That's why it works for you. Enable secure boot and you lose hibernate.

Re: Ask HN: Quality of recent gens of Dell/Lenovo laptops worse than 10 years ago?

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> Power management on Macbooks is unbeatable in my experience, both Windows and Linux have really serious issues dealing with sleep and low power modes. I've been dealing with this recently. Linux won't hibernate if you have Secure Boot enabled, even if your swap is encrypted. So I either have to leave my laptop plugged in all the time or remember to shut it down before unplugging it so it doesn't completely drain it…

this just sounds absolutely horrendous. I could not operate like this. Is this a general linux on laptop thing or just a specific to your situation thing?

It's a Linux thing.

> The Linux kernel disables the possibility of hibernation when Secure Boot is in use because it cannot guarantee that the swap file is unchanged. "Unencrypted hibernation/suspend to swap are disallowed as the kernel image is saved to a medium that can then be accessed."

https://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation

Re: Ask HN: Quality of recent gens of Dell/Lenovo laptops worse than 10 years ago?

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I'd still be on my 2012 Macbook Pro if it weren't for the fact that I seemingly can't get a battery that lasts for it.

I got a 2021 Macbook M1 Pro to replace it, and I can't imagine needing to replace it for at least another 5 years given what I usually need my laptop to do (any really heavy compute gets off-loaded to a desktop). My only worry would be the same as my previous machine: the battery.

I'll give Framework a try when the time comes. It's probably the only one outside of Apple that I have any confidence in not being horrible in some way. There are some other options with decent Linux support, which I would need if I am to migrate away from Apple, but they are few and far between, especially if you rule out Lenovo.

Re: Ask HN: Quality of recent gens of Dell/Lenovo laptops worse than 10 years ago?

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I had the same xps nightmare. I fixed it by getting a PTM7950 phase change thermal pad for cpu and gpu, and swapping to Linux (which I would have done anyways). Went from 100c to 49c idle. PTM7950 is incredible.

On the one hand, PTM7950 is really good. On the other hand, a 50 degree temperature drop can't really be explained by anything other than something being terribly wrong to begin with. That thing might unfortunately be Dell, but I'd imagine if more than three brain cells were involved in temperature management design of that machine, it wouldn't have been quite as catastrophic.

Yes of course. I am unhappy with the device for several reasons. Too bad, because they almost got it right in so many other ways. My wife's smaller and slightly less powerful xps is doing great on the other hand.

Re: Ask HN: Quality of recent gens of Dell/Lenovo laptops worse than 10 years ago?

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Yes, it's a race to the bottom for most. Lots of plastic and soldered, non-upgradeable components, and a lack of ports. The used market is tricky to navigate thanks to the proliferation of model names and numbers, so little to no salvation there either. Spend a bit more for something that will last a bit longer (MacBook) and/or be upgradeable (frame.work), or accept a cheaper model (e.g. Dell Pro) that will likely ne…

HP Probook or Elitebook models have upgradable ram, SSD, and are generally serviceable. You can usually find the previous generation on ebay for an inexpensive price.

Re: Ask HN: Quality of recent gens of Dell/Lenovo laptops worse than 10 years ago?

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What do you do to machines that they need a new port every couple of years?! I used to have issues with the oldeer micro-usb ports, but since USB C came along I don't think I've had a single failure.

1. I have kids and they don't know how to deal with them well. They are not at all aggressive, just a very slightly clumsy as kids tend to be - and the tech is unforgiving. They are human beings and the tech should work for them too. 2. I have a usb-c right here, and the weight of the cable is absolutely distorting the port. It will need to be replaced soon just based on its own self-damage. The cable is not even tha…

I don't have kids, I'm not that careful with devices myself, and we have had instances of (for instance) laptops that have fallen off a table with usb c chargers plugged in, landing on the cable end, and not breaking the port.

I did break multiple micro-USB ports though, as did ham-fisted family members. USB C made that all go away.

I have friends with kids (with tech) who don't seem to have a ton of broken devices either. Clearly we have very different experiences.

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